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Rebadging of graphics adapters: Past, present and future

In the recent years both Advanced Micro Devices and Nvidia Corp. sold similar graphics processing units under completely different names, a practice many consider as deceiving. While stagnation in the market of graphics adapters and rebranding of graphics cards is hardly a good thing for the consumer, both GPU developers had serious reasons to delay new products and re-badge the old ones in the last couple of years.

This week AMD introduced its Radeon R7 and R9 300-series graphics cards, which are based on GPUs introduced in 2012, 2013 and 2014. The lineup features no new graphics processors and does not introduce any new features or capabilities. The new boards are faster than previous gen solutions by 5 to 20 per cent in peak scenarios, which is not a significant performance difference, especially considering the fact that the new cards are significantly more expensive than existing AMD Radeon R9 offerings. The enthusiast community was outraged by AMD’s decision to plainly rebrand its old products and AMD’s partners among graphics cards makers were frustrated with the decision as well. But did AMD do anything extraordinary? In fact, not at all.

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AMD Radeon R9 390X aka AMD Radeon R9 290X with 8GB of memory

Rebadging: The origins

Selling old lamps as new is not something novel for the high-tech industry in general and graphics cards market in particular. When ATI Technologies introduced its Radeon 8500 (R200) in 2001, it rebadged the original Radeon (R100) to Radeon 7200 and Radeon 7500 (which were based on both R100 and RV200). In 2003, the company rebranded its Radeon 8500 to Radeon 9100. Nvidia has made a number of rebadges throughout its history too. For example, the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB (G92) was renamed to GeForce 9800 GTX, whereas the GeForce 8800 GT was renamed to GeForce 9800 GT. Over the years, both companies have rebranded their products in order to integrate them into new lineups or to create “new” solutions for OEMs.

PC makers rebadge their PCs every year and sometimes even more often to show their customers that they have something new to offer. Usually, they force companies like AMD and Nvidia to rebrand their GPUs every year too, which is why we see OEM-only series like GeForce GTX 800M, Radeon HD 8000 and so on.

However, rebranding of high-end graphics cards for gamers in the recent years were conditioned by not only requests from PC OEMs or necessity to unify product lineups.

TSMC, 28nm and 20nm

Because Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co.’s 20nm manufacturing technology was designed primarily for mobile system-on-chips (i.e., for Apple), it is unsuitable for mainstream graphics processing units. As a result, both AMD and Nvidia have to significantly redevelop their roadmaps several years ago (virtually all decisions about the roadmaps were made in ~2011, four years back) in a bid to keep introducing new products, but make them using TSMC’s 28nm fabrication process. In fact, AMD and Nvidia have to offer competitive products made using the same manufacturing technology for four years: from 2012 to 2016, an unprecedented amount of time.

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Nvidia GM200: The biggest 28nm GPU ever made

The two leading developers of graphics processing units chose generally similar approaches how to act in the situation when newer process technologies are not available, but little differences had serious impact on actual product lineups.

Nvidia’s approach: Stretch life-cycles, cut-down features

Nvidia’s method to keep the products coming involved stretching life-cycle of its “Kepler” and “Maxwell” architectures, cut-down functionality of “Maxwell” and introduce various bells-and whistles-type hardware and software features that require none innovations when it comes down to silicon, but which have impact on minds of end-users.

The first step in Nvidia’s multi-year strategy was to stretch the lifecycle of its GK104 and GK110 graphics processing units to over two years. The company introduced its GeForce GTX 670, 680, 690 and GTX Titan in 2012 – 2013 period and then launched GeForce GTX 760, 770, 780, 780 Ti and GTX Titan Black based on the same GPUs in mid-2013 and early-2014. To make old products look like new, Nvidia installed new cooling system on the second wave of “Kepler”-based graphics boards as well as introduced GPU Boost 2.0 software features.

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Nvidia GeForce GTX 770 aka GeForce GTX 680

The second step in the strategy was to shrink transistor count of “Maxwell” GPUs as significantly as possible without sacrificing performance in graphics applications and without eliminating any new GPUs from the roadmap.

Since Nvidia had to stick to TSMC’s 28nm fabrication process in 2014 – 2015 (normally, it would have adopted a newer node during the period), but still had to introduce new products for 2014 – 2016, the company cut-down functionality of “Maxwell” architecture, eliminated a number of HPC [high-performance computing]-related capabilities (e.g., FP64 units, unified virtual memory addressing) and cut-down some other features.

Nvidia successfully rolled out three “Maxwell”-based GPUs in 2014 – 2015 period. The company’s GM107, GM204 and GM200 graphics processors offer great performance in video games and even sport richer graphics functionality than predecessors (at least, Nvidia says so), but lacks a number of innovative technologies, which could be important in the future.

Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 970 and 980 have been on the market for over nine months now and the company does not have any new “Maxwell”-based chips up its sleeve (at least, we have not heard of any). One of the potential problems for Nvidia is that it will have nothing new until its next-generation “Pascal” hits the market in mid-2016. Moreover, as the top-of-the-range GP100 is expected to hit the market first, Nvidia will announce its next-gen GeForce GTX Titan ahead of any GeForce GTX 1800 or GeForce GTX 1700 products.

It remains to be seen whether Nvidia will introduce any new and faster versions of its GM204 and GM200-based products and how it will call them. In general, Nvidia’s positions in the market are rather good. But this market loves new things and product launches actually drive sales, so it is logical for Nvidia to refresh its family this fall.

AMD’s approach: Stretch life-cycles, cut-down the number of chips

In 2011 AMD faced the same challenge as Nvidia: four years without a new process technology ahead. The company also had to stretch lifecycle of its products, but instead of cutting-down features of future chips based on improved versions of GCN architectures, AMD probably decided to cut-down the number of chips it planned to introduce and change its introduction tactics.

Back in 2012 – 2013, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series lineup was among the most comprehensive families of products in the history of both AMD and ATI. While the lower-end parts were rebranded and featured Terascale 2 architecture, the series included GCN-based DirectX 11 hardware for all budgets.

Normally, AMD would introduce a new top-to-bottom lineup with GCN 1.1 architecture in late 2013 (it would consist of “Bonaire”, “Hawaii” and something in between) and then would come up with a new family featuring GCN 1.2 architecture and made using a more advanced process technology in 2015. But since the company had to stretch lifecycles of its products and save tens of millions of dollars on tape-outs of new chips, AMD decided to alter the very tactics of new GPU family roll-outs.

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AMD Radeon R9 280X aka Radeon HD 7970

Instead of introducing a new flagship offering and then follow-up with mainstream and entry-level parts based on the same architecture, AMD decided to cease development of low-cost parts and either insert new products into existing families, or introduce all-new families featuring both new and old GPUs.

The company successfully inserted “Bonaire” and “Tonga” graphics processors into its Radeon HD 7000-series and Radeon R9 200-series families, respectively. The generally good lineups just got more comprehensive with new additions.

Unfortunately, with every new top-of-the-range GPU, AMD introduced a brand-new family with a new flagship and a bunch of rebranded products. AMD’s Radeon R9 200-series featured only one new GPU – “Hawaii”. AMD’s Radeon R9 300-series includes no new GPUs because “Fiji” is not formally a part of it. Moreover, since AMD made decision not to invest resources in lower-end GPUs, its Radeon R7 300-series is based on graphics chips released in 2012 and 2013.

Right now AMD is finishing development of its next-generation products that will be made using 16nm FinFET or 14nm FinFET process technologies. We have no idea whether the company will come out with a family of FinFET GPUs a year from now, or will introduce only a flagship and will have to fill the gaps with older GPUs. Considering the fact how expensive FinFET chips are to design, it is unlikely that AMD will be able to roll-out a top-to-bottom family of FinFET GPUs in calendar 2016.

Final words

Even though marketing teams of both AMD and Nvidia introduced rebadged products several times in the recent years, engineering teams of both companies did amazing job. AMD's Radeon Fury X aka “Fiji XT” provides more than two times higher performance than AMD's Radeon HD 7970 aka “Tahiti XT” (the first flagship 28nm GPU from AMD). Nvidia's GeForce GTX Titan X aka GM200 is more than two times faster than the GeForce GTX 680 aka GK104 (the first flagship 28nm GPU from Nvidia). All four aforementioned chips are made using similar 28nm process technologies, but they deliver completely different levels of performance.

Development cycles of hardware are stretching since architectures get more complex. The costs of chip design is skyrocketing because of FinFET process technologies to $100 – $150 million per chip. It is getting extremely hard for chip designers to stay on the leading-edge of technologies.

Since releasing all-new products is getting harder, rebadging is a thing that is getting more tempting than ever these days because companies want to sell new products and a lot of customers want to buy products they consider new.

But all semiconductor companies are in the same boat and have similar problems. If everyone starts to rebrand old products to introduce them as new, there will be a mess in the market, which will deceive a lot of end users and will break their trust.

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KitGuru Says: The problem looks plain and simple: who needs new lineups if they do not introduce any new products or technologies? When Apple releases a new iPhone, it is a brand-new product with higher performance, newer features and all-new design every two years. When a new graphics card is launched, in many cases users have to investigate whether it is actually new or a rebatched old. That is not a good thing.

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83 comments

  1. danglingparticiple

    Backpedaling. Too little too late.

  2. In recently you guys made a video detaling how the mean AMD uses rebrands and etc. You guys bashed on AMD. Yet they weren’t the only one who did the same things. Nvidia did the same thing… Not just that Nvidia did a lot of worse… THE 3.5 drama with the 970, and recently the hottness of Titan X. But no, those weren’t as EVIL as the rebrands…. Titan X should be freaking hot because its a Beest.

    And now, there was a big community lash at kitguru and wouldn’t you know it. Lets make an article about how BOTH Nvidia and AMD were naughty before. Rebrands… Ay… This is the biggest back paddeling I see in a long time.

  3. I’m wondering if AMD was right regarding the negative content. I already watch a video of KitGuru about rebranding, I already read an article about 300-Series rebranding and now another article about rebranding.

  4. They trying to make it look like “Both AMD and Nvidia did bad things” because the backlash it caused their AMD hate….

  5. danglingparticiple

    No mention of the many thousands of customers Nvidia $cr3w3d over with Bumpgate.

  6. If you don’t like don’t read. It was a good read for me so I don’t have a problem with this article.

  7. The fact is they talk down to poor content…whether its the 3.5gb fiasco of the 970, or the shitty rebrands that AMD does every generation since the 7000 series. Just because AMD does things poorly more often doesn’t make this any less viable.

  8. AMD does things wrong more often than Nvidia, but that doesn’t mean that Kitguru doesn’t report on it. They are very neutral, but AMD doesn’t see their own shortcomings before rating their neutrality.

  9. Too be fair, I think the 3.5 was straight up worse than any temperature or Rebrand problems.. Just search 3.5 or 970 on this site (or their Youtube page)

    Not a single Nvidia diss just only the Copy pasted news.

  10. Where did I said I dont like to read. I went through the article and yes.. Its just Backpedaling. Good for you tho!

  11. OH I totally agree! I was saying that they point this stuff out all the time! They also complained about coil-whine issues, reference cooler problems, 600 to 700 series chips being the same…they do report on it all.

  12. Was left with that impression. My apologies if I was wrong ^^

  13. Nah, I’m didn’t wanted to say anything bad about the way it was wroten. It clearly feels like a proffesional article.

  14. An article that gets published the same time with a new series affects that series of cards, not the series that was announced a year or two ago. While this article looks balanced, it only affects AMD, not Nvidia. Let’s see if we will see the same article when Nvidia updates 900 series prior to Pascal. Of course Nvidia could just announce 2-3 cards without rebranding. 900 series is just 5 cards and 3 of them cost from 500 and up. So we can’t exactly call them a full line. Nvidia could just introduce one or two new models and nothing more and only rebrand on mobiles and OEMs.

    PS NONE of the cards that Nvidia sells under $200 is new. Some are Kepler, others first generation Maxwell, others are Fermi based and the big joke of course, G210.

  15. The reason for the need of this articles is to let consumers know that what they are really buying. Imagine you had a R9 290X 4GB and decide to buy a R9 390X 8GB, the increase performance is not necessarily ground breaking. Some people are just hasty and buy stuff thinking since its new its way better, placebo effect. While you just sold your old 290X and bought the 390X, AMD is laughing its ass off all the way to the bank. The 290X sells for like $200-$250. You lost money and spent about $200 extra dollars on the new 390X. So at the end, that 390X just costed you like $600 and you have the same fuking card…

  16. This is so Sad to be a part of…
    ( or not, since I check things out, as many here do..)
    But all the rest, and those people, they are plentiful and they are all fooled.

    ofc, they want to sell more Graphic cards but who cares, when they have none to offer ?
    / the demand should not hinder them or make allow them to “cheat, lie and pretend,
    New as in newly produced or new product ! not an new Variant of the same….
    ( 4- >8GB memory is a nice step up ! but if that cost you 10-100€ more, who gives a F….
    and If you need it you swap cards, But not even then its a new one, its anew 3 party card yes, But thats all !

    Thats why independent tech sites like Kitguru and so many others, are Vital to the consumers,
    So they can read, learn and understand what they do [ the market] and whats true…

    So I have to say thx from one of the consumers, even if I´m not English/American.

    The collective sum of all parts make the knowledge complete… 🙂 so keep up the good work.

    T.

  17. Are you really comparing one card to almost an entire lineup of cards rebranded for a THIRD time? Really?!

  18. RequiemOfReligion

    somebody here is trying to kiss up to AMD for that Fury X sample xD

  19. Who really cares about the r9 300 series? the r9 300 series is not an enthusiast class lineup. Enthusiasts should be concerned with the Fury X which is not a rebadge.

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  21. Really? Ive seen quite a few from anton ages ago this one on 970 slammed it http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/nvidia-will-not-admit-guilt-of-the-geforce-gtx-970-scandal/

    Its funny how all you guys see one video from leo, and think he is the only one writing or doing work on kitguru for years…

  22. Well said victor, i own a 290x, almost blew a fortune on 390x for basically the same card, just clocked higher than last reference card (390x is actually slower clocks than my own 290x). Its fiji for me or nothing, i dont buy nvidia. Its likely i wont be able to afford fiji, so will need to wait until 2016.

    Great editorial anton. Anyone with any sense can see this is a big help

  23. 100%, spot on

  24. All i see is “incorrect specifications” and “not admitting a mistake” where AMD conned customers… (So, yeah, GTX 970 were not conned…………………………….!)

    You see, sometimes, it’s not how you say something. It’s the choice of words that has the power 🙂

    Cheers !!!
    P.S. Excuse my poor English, I’m only Greek 😀

  25. “The enthusiast community was outraged by AMD’s decision to plainly rebrand its old products”

    Enthusiast community buys the Fury X the strongest GPU in the world.
    Budget gamers buy the rebrands.

  26. Wow, almost as if you dont value articles like this. Leo is not anton, zardon (gpu writer) is not leo, all different writers for kitguru. Anton reports on everything and if you actually read kitguru rather than just head over here from an amd fan site you would already. know that. Zardon has gave 27 gold awards out to amd partner cards in the last 3 years, i counted them out. Amazing eh!

    Miss all the 970 stories like this one? —- Nvidia will not admit their guilt (many more of these) http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/nvidia-will-not-admit-guilt-of-the-geforce-gtx-970-scandal/

    I own a 290x but i like to consider myself level headed. All this white noise from dodgy user accounts to raise the white noise here mean nothing. Your opinion on something you havent researched or know nothing about is irrelevant.

    Anton is a great writer and has attacked many companies for poor practices. What we, the consumers need. Not mindless amd paid fanboy ranting (all these mindless rant accounts come from one particular global location) Its so counter productive and transparent.

  27. 3 times? What card is being re-branded 3 times?
    The 285 (1.2 archetecture btw same as Fiji) gets its first rebrand as the 380 and a new full Tonga XT board the 380X

    290/290X gets its first rebrand
    260/260X get their first rebrand

    260 & 290 series are 1.1 architecture its the same as Nvidia with their Maxwell V1 on the 960. High end cards get the new arch.

  28. Last time I checked the 7000 series was architecturally far ahead of even Maxwell and the whole series isn’t rebranded 7000 series no 7000 series cards were rebranded in 300 series only the GCN 1.1 & 1.2 cards

  29. So you are ok with people buying the same card? All enthusiast users can afford fury? I am a budget gamer with a sapphire r9 290x 8gb? I spent all the money i could to buy that card (350 quid). A 390x, which is basically a 290x is a budget card?

    That is beyond a stupid post, if amd truly have customers so stupid and willing to buy anything they bring out, and even say ‘it doesnt matter all budget user buy rebrands, we real enthusiast user get fiji’ – i despair.

    So sad to see such illinformed, elitest and ultimately stupid posts all to try and defend a company against poor practises. The rest of the range isnt important now, just the most expensive high end product? I have heard it all.

  30. Wow, almost as if you dont value articles like this. Leo (kitguru tv presenter) is not anton, zardon (gpu writer for kitguru) is also not leo (try reading author names on articles, its not all one person), yep all different writers for kitguru and like most real,human people they are not automatons who share the same view.

    Anton reports on everything and if you actually read kitguru rather than just head over here from an amd fan site you would already. know that. Zardon has gave 27 gold awards out to amd partner cards in the last 3 years, i counted them out. Amazing eh! But its a fact. Zardon is the reason i bought a 7970, he is the reason i didnt buy a 280x as he told me it was the same card, and he is the reason i then bought a sapphire r9 290x 8gb. His reviews, which i love! Me, a genuine kitguru reader from years ago.

    As for anton? Miss all the 970 stories like this one? —- Nvidia will not admit their guilt (many more of these if you really try to look here) http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/nvidia-will-not-admit-guilt-of-the-geforce-gtx-970-scandal/

    Was posted AGES ago when 970 scandal hit. And its a piece anton wrote as he was annoyed nvidia were ignoring readers who were unhappy about their 970 purchase.

    I own a 290x but i like to consider myself level headed. All this gibber gabber from dodgy user accounts to raise the white noise here mean nothing. Your opinion on something you havent researched or know nothing about is irrelevant.

    Anton is a great writer and has attacked many companies for poor practices. What we, the consumers need. Not mindless amd paid fanboy ranting (all these mindless rant accounts come from one particular global location) Its so counter productive and transparently obvious.

  31. The 390X is not just a 290X with a new label its a much quality binned 290X with WAY higher memory clock speeds and overclocks very well as well. It gives BETTER performance than the 980 which cost more.

    The 390 is replacing the 290X they offer similar performance at similar price range the 390 has more vram however. The 390 is even with the 970 and has better DX12 support.

    Your looking at rebrand and thinking they slap a new label by that logic everything is a rebrand. You know if you buy an i7 4790k or an i5 4690k they are the same CPU but Intel gets the lower binned 4790k and disables 2mb cache & disables the HT + drops the clock speeds. That is a common practice. Instead of seeing the word rebrand look at the benchmarks many sites posted benchmarks.

  32. So you want now to discuss intel after saying that the 390x (which i almost bought) and all other rebrands are budget cards? Sorry, you arent here to talk genuinely or make sense. Your posting first dismisses the rebrands as irrelevant due to them all being budget cards (380, 390 and 390x) etc. then you refocus on intel.

    You really blindly love a company that much that you try to find any possible angle to dismiss it all as ok? But not if intel or nvidia do it , thats different? Lets talk about that instead.

    Wont waste my time, but dont for one second dont think i dont see through you and others ‘just signing up here’ (me, a real owner of a sapphire 290x and long time reader of kitguru).

  33. So, next time Leo makes a video he better try to control his nerves. When you wright an informative article or you make an informative video, it is absolutely necessary to try to keep your personal opinions, your personal sympathies, your ego, your nerves, anything that could affect your judgment out. In that video he couldn’t control his nerves because he haven’t had the advantage seeing the Fury X card at Computex. Probably that’s what cost them that sample. And if someone is upset with you for childish reasons, you don’t give him your new top product to test it.

    Also that article KitGuru did, crying foul at AMD? Well, it will hurt KitGuru much more than AMD in the long time. Fury X’s cards will be out at 24th. If the cards perform like what AMD is promising, NO ONE will remember that AMD didn’t gave a sample at KitGuru. On the other hand every time from now and on KitGuru does an article that is attacking AMD, even if that article does have a base, will be under attack. Why? Because KitGuru come out with an article where, with HUGE and clear letters, they where saying: “FROM NOW AND ON WE HAVE A REASON TO BE BIASED IN THE CASE OF AMD”.

    PS I am reading articles of Anton from Xbit Labs. He is a real professional.

  34. Leo doesnt review video cards for kitguru, he never has, zardon does. So while i understand you feel leos views are coloured, he only produces videos on youtube and reviews cases etc, never gpu laumch articles. Its not a reflection of reviews here and you made a mistake (ive seen you post so much here in the last day and never before that so its clear you need to know this key point). I dont like kitgurus videos on youtube, but there is a clear distinction between youtube and leos views and what gets written here. Ive been reading zardons reviews for years and ive bought amd hardware based on them for years. I bought a 7970 on his reviews, skipped the 280x as it was almost the same cars then bought a 290x based again on zardons reviews.

    While i know you want to dismiss everything kitguru does its been a great tool for me for years and their gpu reviews here are fantastic. Funnily enough and you might find this funny, they were until a few weeks ago considered an amd fan site. Zardon has given almost 30 gold awards to amd hardware in the last three years and a pro like anton wouldnt work here if he felt kitguru was a load of garbage like you guys are saying.

    The problem seems to be with leo, and nothing else. And this stance of nvidia fan boys, from a long time reader is almost funny, as ive been reading comments in amd reviews about how many awards amd get and nvidia get overlooked (until latest 900 series anyway).

    I cant afford fiji so i need to wait on 2016 amd releases. I wont buy nvidia, they are overpriced, reason i bought 290x 8gb and not gtx980.

  35. I stopped reading your post when you said that I haven’t posted in the past here. I always post here.

  36. Thats a shame, i thought i made some good points, like how zardon is not leo and how you are missing a key point to all this. You seem intelligent so its bizarre you want a certain outcome clearly driven out of hate, rather than know the truth.

  37. Good work kitguru

  38. Amd just fooled everyone not a new thing

  39. Wake up! Most of the 2xx lineup was a rebrand of the 7xxx series. Given how all (I believe) of the 3xx series is a rebrand of the 2xx series, that’s two rebrands and hardware that’s 4 years old.

  40. Charles Charalambous

    Good to hear there is potentially competition it is needed, but lets be honest the fanboys are only sparking because AMD have effectively said if you don’t only speak positive things (because no company has negatives with their products right) then we won’t give you a card. In addition to review guidelines which involve comparing with no aa or af and avoiding anything that goes over 4GB of VRAM for the fury x.

    I don’t think it’s so much the fanboys are up in roar but any unbiased person, anyone interested in businesses in general have to really raise an eyebrow to that as something is obviously fishy.

  41. Charles Charalambous

    Lets be honest the fanboys are only sparking because AMD have effectively said if you don’t only speak positive things (because no company has negatives with their products right) then we won’t give you a card. In addition to review guidelines which involve comparing with no aa or af and avoiding anything that goes over 4GB of VRAM for the fury x. Even though it apparently should vope

    I don’t think it’s so much the fanboys are up in roar but any unbiased person, anyone interested in businesses in general have to really raise an eyebrow to that as something is obviously fishy.

    I want competition and I hope it is good but with what amd seem to be pulling all review that come out with cards supplied by AMD are more than likely going to be biased. Who the he’ll plays games with no af? It’s not even taxing, it is 2015 the card is over 500 something is extremely fishy

  42. Well, one more time it comes to “individual writers on a webpage”….

    It’s Jeff, Anton, Matthew, Leo or whoever writes articles, makes videos, sings songs and recites stories from the crypt (excuse my sarcasm)

    So many different opinions with one common thing… the webpage. Which states: “Kitguru.net – Tech News | Hardware News | Hardware Reviews | Technology Reviews | IOS | Android | Mobile | Gaming | Graphics Cards Reviews”

    Now, what seems to be missing is the “KitGuru may not reflect to opinions from our various writers/video posters/etc. Certainly, making a video with your own webpage logo at the start, does give the impression that it’s the webpage’s policy instead of being the opinion of that one individual person.

    And as the whole ” AMD withdraw KitGuru Fury X sample over ‘negative content “, it’s not that uncommon. Look at Leo’s video in YouTube. You guys disabled the comments probably because of the backlash that u had taken.

    Now, please tell me, who is more wrong……….

    Cheers !!!
    P.S. Excuse my poor English, I’m only Greek 😀

  43. You’re an AMD fanboy. Piss off and take that attitude over to a console. AMD have released a line-up with nothing new, and also some extremely worrying thermals as the backplate of the R9 370 almost reaches 110C. To have the nerve to push an entire lineup with nothing new is unprecedented and scummy as hell. They are too focused on corporate infighting than R&D.

  44. No, look at AMD’s share price. They can’t afford anything other than bais reporting otherwise AMD may go under. If Fury turns out to be little more than okay, then it could be the end for them.

  45. Anyone who uses “gate” at the end of a word is a full on idiot. The Watergate scandel is nothing to do with water, the office complex was called the Watergate. Don’t spread idiocy.

  46. If the rebrands weren’t £150 more than they should be, there wouldn’t be an issue, but hiking the price up massively for no reason is a dick move.

  47. Have you seen the temp of the MSI backplate? The lifespan of an OC 390X will be tiny, and it won’t be stable at all.

  48. Now this is what you got wrong. THis is a rebranded card yes but not from the third time… and this is what pisses me off

    The r9 390x is indeed the same as previous generation, But that was not a rebrand
    The R9 380 is the R9 285…. Which Was released little a year ago. Not a third time rebrand
    R7 370 is the 265…. again released newly a year ago. Not a third time rebreand
    R7 360 is hte R7 260x…. Not a third time rebreand.

  49. The r9 390x is indeed the same as previous generation, But that was not a rebrand
    The R9 380 is the R9 285…. Which Was released little a year ago. Not a third time rebrand
    R7 370 is the 265…. again released newly a year ago. Not a third time rebreand
    R7 360 is hte R7 260x…. Not a third time rebreand.

  50. Citation needed on the 370 temperatures.

    And again Nvidida di this before too. The 680 became the 770

  51. We’re talking about an entire lineup being rebranded here, not just 1 or 2 cards. What’s worse, the 360 and 370 are based on chips that were already rebranded in the first place. You people keep saying “wah wah AMD gets bashed” but what do you expect? Do you think they should be praised for rebranding cards, giving them a tiny overclock, and selling them for more than the 200 series?

  52. Isn’t the 360 and 370 got a lot of praise for being cheap?

    Technically whats new with the 380 is the 4gb option… Im not defending AMD, I just think they gets more bashed here than others.

  53. Toms Hardware review. And no, we are talking about THE ENTIRE 300 SERIES, not just one card.

  54. Again, I didn’t defended AMD, I defended that AMD gets more **** from this site than any others, while Nvidia dont.

  55. That’s just a card varient, not an entirely new card. The GT240 had DDR3 and GDDR 5 versions, they weren’t two different cards.

  56. Proof?!?! Also you said Nvidia has done this before – no they haven’t, get your facts right.

  57. They look cheap on paper but in reality they have the same MSRP as the chips they’re based on (260 and 265, respectively).

    It’s true that they get a lot of flack but when you look at the past 2 years, what can be said that’s positive? Hawaii wasn’t too bad for the price, sure. The Kaveri APUs were a nice improvement. Tonga was decent even though the new technology was nowhere near as good as Maxwell and it was expensive. I think that’s pretty much it? 2015 isn’t looking too good either, we’re getting full rebrands for both GPUs and CPUs/APUs. Fury is gonna be great, and Carrizo could be interesting, but how many people does that concern?

  58. Proof: Nvidia did rebranded the 680 to 770, but sure based Nvidia never would Rebrand… Like they did with the M series on mobile or the 9800 GT (WHich is was the same as the 8800)

    Yeah Nvidia is based again because the Titan X doesnt get warm (like 100+ C) But yeah before that the 480 wasnt a housefire card.

    Yeah because lying about costumers about the 370’s “Vram Feature” is totally OK and shouldn’t be made multiple of videos of it. But a rebrand based on Rumors even should be

  59. Stop with the fanboy here fanboy there paranoia. Watch out that communist in your closet is going to jump out and get you. Just ignore a comment you don’t like and stop claiming everyone is a boogie man who disagrees with you.

    This article did bring up some interesting things to think about for next year. Even after Pascal comes out, Nvidia will all but likely re-position and rebrand its current gen to fill in its line up on everything but its halo product made from Pascal. Since AMD decided to do that this generation, its sitting in a good lineup position comparatively for next year. While Nvidia will likely be stuck with gddr5 products in most of its lineup except for Pascal, AMD can take the already 4 different Fiji designs coming out this year and disseminate them into the cheaper priced segment. They can release a new Artic islands HBM 2.0 halo product next year and still have plenty of versatility in the Fiji line to make their ENTIRE lineup HBM cards. They might already start doing that this year with the Fiji Nano. A LOT of review sites are very interested in that card because it gives a glimpse into the availability of the Fiji line of cards. I do see the 300 series cards as fillers that make AMD have competitive products vs. Nvidia now. That may be why AMD is introducing a new Fury naming now to continue it with an all HBM lineup next year vs. its Nvidia competitor which would very doubtfully have a full HBM lineup.

  60. But we are not talking about one card are we kid? No, we are talking about an entire lineup that is entirely rebranded.

    How many years ago was the 480? Stay uptodate. Re-releasing an entire line-up is cheap and deceptive.

  61. Well the 780 wasn’t a long time ago. And again, I’m not here to defend AMD. But the negative Bias against them here is real.

    Ps They didn’t just re-lease an entire line-up. The Nano, The Fury, The FUry X and the Dual Fury are all new. Also theres possible hint that AMD planning to release X versions of the current package. 380x, 370x etc.

  62. The entirety of the 300 series except the 390x is based on 7000 series chips. The 390x is based on the 290x in fact…so still rebranded chips. The only new chips are the Fury and FuryX.

  63. Yeah because Nvidia wouldn’t charge you $1000 For a Titan X selling it as “the ultimate gaming card” and then 3 months later release a card for half the price that performs even better right ?

    Point others are making is that KitGuru went on excessively about the 300 series being a “rebrand” based on nothing more than speculation being outright negativie and dismissive of the card without having tested any to confirm one way or the other.

    During the entire time nothing was said of the times Nvidia has pulled the same trick or even worse in the case of the 970 intentionally sent out misleading information and specs and then outright refusing to apologize when caught out and then there was the nerfing of features on 700 series and Mobile GPU’s .

    And then they act all surprised when AMD decides to not send them a Fury X at which point a article coincidentally appears finally mentioning the times Nvidia has rebranded cards but of course KitGuru wont admit that they have their head crammed so far up Nvidia’s butt that they could lick their tonsils so now they use this article to backpeddle no doubt in the vain hope that AMD or some E-Tailer like overclockers or Scan will send them a Fury X, tbh with the attitude they have they don’t deserve one its about time they learn that actions have consequences maybe then they’ll stop being so biased towards one company.

  64. 260 & 290 series are a year old and they are enhanced versions much better quality
    285 came out like 6 months ago and its rebranded its 1.2 archetecture (newest)
    265 came out a year ago its technically not rebranded the new cards similar to the 265 but more tmu’s more or less a more unlocked version

    The older cards don’t get rebranded

  65. The Titan X gets over 102c stock on the vram
    http://media.bestofmicro.com/N/X/484269/gallery/01-PCB_w_600.jpg

  66. so what do you think should had been done? I remember that the specs leaked, which is enough to know the performance of cards since they had the same clocks, memory interface, gpu core, and Stream processors. Everyone knows that rebrands usually address issues of past cards but that doesn’t mean there is an increase on performance. The increase of available memory for the 390x and 380 might helps on some games but not all. All my system is AMD, I got a Phenom II X4 955 with a R7 260X (aka HD7790 but with 2GB).

    At the moment AMD has nothing to fight Nvidia in power consumption. I can run a GTX 960 with a single 6-pin while the comparable performance r9 380 needs 2 6-pin. I have always had AMD systems and will buy Zen but there is nothing from the 300 series for anyone at the moment, none of those cards would be an improvement. To me it feels like AMD tried to capitalize on Fiji’s release by selling their old cards as new, I understand they are close to bankruptcy. The only reason for buying AMD cards is either you are an AMD fanboy or dont care about power consumption.

  67. or… you are ? mazty.

    Since water gate is the original “story” after that many have used the gate- ending, to make it a bad ” story”

    So I think you better do your research or read History books, so you can see its not a bad analogy, after all.
    – “Clintongate” and so forth
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix
    thx.

  68. true in both cases, but as in all text you can read into what ever you want and in most cases you need to understand that much Text are shorten, so it fits the frames of an spot. in a magazine or a web page.
    a.k.a. you are right and they are too since Enthusiast know the difference,
    most common gamers/buyers Don´t! ( and 99% parents Don´t know at all *) 😉

    – and the sad part are, that those that don´t are all the market, this shiit are created for.
    ( most people don´t care what they do, if its none of their business.
    = Producers of graphic cards, can go on doing it… ! )

    * many times parents just pay and buy what ever their kids needs /wants.

    sad fact yes, anyone really cares ? no, anyone going to do anything about it ?
    probably not… so the ” story is for us that do… care and think its a difference !
    [ nothing else ] 🙂

  69. A whopping 0 Cards in the series are based on the 7000 series cards.

    The 360 is based on the 260 a 1.1 card not a 7000 series card 360X based on 260X.

    The 390 is based on the 290 a 1.1 card 390X based on 290X. no 7000 series equivilent.

    The 380 is based on the 285 a 1.2 card and its new the 380X is a new card its NOT based on the 380 which does have a 7000 series equivilent but I wouldn’t expect an Nvidiot to know that.

    The 370 is a new board similar to the 265 but with more tmu not a 7000 series and its technically a new card but I would just argue its basically a refreshed unlocked 265.

  70. Stop with the fanboy here fanboy there paranoia. Watch out that communist in your closet is going to jump out and get you. Just ignore a comment you don’t like and stop claiming everyone is a boogie man who disagrees with you.

    This article did bring up some interesting things to think about for next year. Even after Pascal comes out, Nvidia will all but likely re-position and rebrand its current gen to fill in its line up on everything but its halo product made from Pascal. Since AMD decided to do that this generation, its sitting in a good lineup position comparatively for next year. While Nvidia will likely be stuck with gddr5 products in most of its lineup except for Pascal, AMD can take the already 4 different Fiji designs coming out this year and disseminate them into the cheaper priced segment. They can release a new HBM 2.0 halo product next year and still have plenty of versatility in the Fiji line to make their ENTIRE lineup HBM cards. They might already start doing that this year with the Fiji Nano. A LOT of review sites are very interested in that card because it gives a glimpse into the availability of the FIJI

  71. 7850 is 270 is 370 , 3x used

  72. The 370 is the 265……

  73. Amds magic works well on u

  74. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9241/amd-announces-oem-desktop-radeon-300-series

    HERES THE SOURCE! Its really easy to make up shit and tell its the truth

  75. And where did 265 come from 7850 , there is 7870 as well all same chip

  76. What chip is the 260 based on? (7790)

    …but do go on 😀

  77. What bias?! They have rebadged AN ENTIRE LINEUP, not just one card. Fury is a different family to the 300 series. You really don’t understand what you’re talking about.

  78. What original story? What are you talking about? Also it’s called the Watergate Complex, it’s not two words. Only idiots add “gate” as a suffix because they clearly don’t understand Watergate.

  79. We are sorry you are retarded and cannot understand when you screw up major in many multiples, you get bashed more.
    Fart tried to explain it to you, but you’re a two bit retarded chump bucket from hell.

  80. It’s another crybaby stupid retarded amd fanboy freak.
    I’ve smashed my skull against a brick wall a thousand times now and still have an IQ 100 points higher than the thick as mud amd fanboys, the new turds of the world are so stupid one would swear evolution turned around and decided monkeys are needed.

    By the way in case you didn’t catch it shit for brains is not defending amd.

  81. Feel your skull, I bet it clearly feels like it’s been lobotomized.

  82. hey nvidia had the decency to have a full updated lineup architecture wise

  83. Don’t feel bad Kit Guru! AMD’s forum is just as fascist! If you point out a driver issue, or mention anything that is truthful that they do not like, you get banned from the AMD forum, Basically the only people left on the AMD forum is moderators moderating moderators and a few new customers with problems who just have not gotten banned yet. I do not like seeing AMD going in that direction at all! The Fury cards are nice cards, And it is cool to see HBM, But lets be honest, They are still using the same GCN chips, And they still use allot of power to run, And even with HBM they still do not perform any better than one of Nvidia’s high end DDR5 cards. Don;t get me wrong, I am not a Nvidia fan! I hate the direction that Nvidia is going too! Nvidia’s drivers are getting as bad if not worse than AMD’s drivers, And Nvidia clearly lied about the 970’s V-Ram. But many companies are now are showing bad attitudes towards customers lately. And this is what happens when customers turn into mindless fanboys! and fangirls! This is what I do not understand about some people! Instead of people buying what is best for your dollar, They instead buy something because of the name, or to be trendy! It is just stupidity! But I do however think the Fury an FuryX are good cards. But they are priced to high to compete with the GTX 980 and 980 Ti! The Fury nonX is going for $559 on newegg! And you can buy a GTX 980 (non Ti) for $519 on newegg! It is pretty much a no brainer! Even for the dumbed down people of the day! The 980 only uses 165watts and can be used with a average 500 watt PSU, And it is going to run cool, But the Fury (nonX) performs the same, But uses 275watts and runs much warmer. The Fury and Fury X need to go way down in price! It makes no sense to buy either Fury GPU at the prices they are at now! And with AMD loosing so much money in the markets, YOu would think they would have priced them correctly from the start, Especially the non HBM Re-Badges, The R7 360 up to the R9 390X! are also priced to high! Before the release of the new 300 series, You could buy a R9 290 (nonX) for $249! And because of that the R9 290 competed very well with the GTX 970. But now the same card (except for 4GB of extra V-Ram that will make no difference) The R9 390 (nonX) cost $329! That is almost $100 dollars more for the same GPU you could buy for $249! It doesn’t make sense! And that type of horrible marketing would drag any company under! What is AMD thinking? It is so bad that I actually bought a GTX 970! As much as I hated Nvidia lying about the V-Ram I still bought a 970! Because the 970 will do anything AMD’s best will do, And yes the 970 is also priced a bit too high at $329, But I would much rather pay $329 for the more efficient 970, Than I would $329 for a GPU that only cost $249 when it had a two on it instead of a three!