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Advanced Micro Devices has started to sell Radeon DDR4 memory modules. The new DIMMs are not compatible with AMD’s existing platforms, but can work with Intel Corp.’s central processing units as well as AMD’s upcoming chips due in 2016.
AMD Radeon R7 DDR4 memory modules are available in dual-channel 8GB memory kits rated to run at 2133MHz or 2400MHz with CL15 timings. It is unclear whether the modules feature Intel’s XMP [extreme memory profiles] technology, but they definitely support AMD’s own memory profiles, reports PC Games Hardware.
At present only Intel’s “Skylake” and “Haswell-E” desktop processors support DDR4 memory. In the future AMD intends to release code-named “Bristol Ridge” and “Summit Ridge” processors with “Excavator” and “Zen” cores, which will use DDR4. The new chips will feature the new AM4 form-factor. Current-generation AMD microprocessors are compatible with DDR3 memory.
AMD’s Radeon R7 DDR4 memory modules are not performance champions, but fans of AMD’s Radeon graphics cards and modders make purchase decisions based on design and visual aesthetics, not on performance.
EDIT on above: 6th October 8.39am by Allan ‘Zardon' Campbell – Editor in Chief. This is not ‘KitGuru's opinion' and I am issuing an clarification/apology in regards to this statement. It is incorrect, inflammatory and should never have been published by Anton last night. You can read my update HERE.
KitGuru Says: It is interesting that while the Radeon R7 DDR4 memory modules are available in select stores in Germany, they are not listed on AMD’s official web-site.
“…but fans of AMD’s Radeon graphics cards and modders make purchase decisions based on design and visual aesthetics, not on performance…”
Lol, go f*ck yourself.
totally unbiased article /s …
Lol, are you guys salty or not about AMD rejecting your Fury X sample?
“…but fans of AMD’s Radeon graphics cards and modders make purchase decisions based on design and visual aesthetics, not on performance…”
I’m 100% behind on AMD not giving you a Fury X sample <3
I smell a bit of Fury coming from this article, a little Fury mixed with some salt.
When sites moan about the use of adblockers yet they put out shite like this.
Lol that ending is so horrendous and is far from true. “but fans of AMD’s Radeon graphics cards and modders make purchase
decisions based on design and visual aesthetics, not on performance.” Yes, because we care a lot about something looking visually aesthetic while you’re looking at the screen, of any of their products I don’t care about how it looks, I care about performance. I buy AMD because it has a good price to performance ratio, I don’t care about the aesthetics of a graphics card or anything inside my PC if it is lowering performance.. The comments have proven you wrong.
Well, they might as well start making DDR4 RAM before AM4 launches next year. Why not?
Wow, I skimmed over that sentence. The thing is, AMD’s midrange stuff is killer price/performance or just plain performance in general. If you want to talk about the 750Ti not being matched in terms of power/efficiency or how the 980Ti comes close to the Titan X while being much cheaper, sure Nvidia has advantages there, but the 380 and the 390 are very competitive products, and so are many other midrange AMD cards.
And their branded ram and SSD’s are good too. It’s not just about looks only. My “looks” brand is Corsair.
I love this article because its sooooo true about AMD users. They dont give a fuck about performance lol
That is a lie, AMD users care about both, price and performance. Many AMD GPU’s comparable to Nvidia GPU’s are far cheaper for negligible performance. Looks makes no sense at all, I’ve never heard anyone make an argument about looks, because no one really cares..
You’re an idiot if you actually believe that.
I think the only thing worse than salt is fanboyism.
I mean people buy the Fury X instead of the 980 TI when a OC 980 TI beats the Fury X by 20+ fps in most every benchmark…so….lol
And those people represent everyone who buys AMD? Nice sound logic ya got there.
I buy AMD products to make a statement. Fuck Intel. Fuck Nvidia. Fuck ass whole sucking fanboys like you
The author of this article is up deep Intel’s and Nvidia’s asses.
Kitguru is just a bad joke nowadays.
Anton has been warned in future about this – his comment ‘
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AMD’s Radeon R7 DDR4 memory modules are not performance champions,
but fans of AMD’s Radeon graphics cards and modders make purchase
decisions based on design and visual aesthetics, not on performance.’ is incorrect and I am editing it. This is not a reflection of the hardware team, but a news post which I as Editor In Chief – DONT agree with
actually this should never have been published as it is incorrect and Anton will be sent a warning regarding it. Anton works outside UK time zones and when I woke up to read this I was annoyed, it is not a stance of Kitguru and I am issuing a post on this today front page. It is also worth bearing in mind that while you may have missed it – we have a good relationship with AMD and have since reviewed their Fury non X and were sampled with the NANO as well, both of which you can see online on the site
Warned? Anton has proven he will be unable to write objective articles. Man up and terminate your professional relationship with him, why would you want a blogger when you are supposed to be an informative site, unless you plan on starting a girly-gossip/shit-tossing section.
How can anyone take anything this person writes serious from now on, his future articles will be dead waste.
http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
Well they gave us a NANO sample later and we have no problems with AMD, I do however have a statement to make http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
Its a stupid statement to make I agree. I made a statement in regards to this http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
Actually I am dealing with this internally. not in a public forum. I have issued an apology front page today. I am aware this article is not good, I am not happy with it either. I am not really willing to detail anything else in public as its unprofessional. If you have lost faith in us due to this article then I understand you will want to go elsewhere. If you have generally been happy with Kitguru over the years, then hopefully you will have some faith in me to deal with this properly.
Thanks.
It is a badly worded article yes. sorry to see you feel we are a ‘bad joke’. I thought our reviews of Fury, Fury X were good, and as AMD officially supported us with NANO at this stage they clearly felt the same. All of which can be found on our site. I have however issued an apology regarding this AMD DDR4 memory news story from Anton this morning which you can read here: http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
Fair enough, I understand that you deal with it internally. In the future when you make a public statement, you should really only mention that you will deal with this internally. Right now you made it look like you were ‘ok’ with one of your ‘journalists’ discrediting himself and KitGuru because a warning is pretty worthless.
Knowing you deal with it internally is enough, for me anyway, because I can just choose to not visit this site anymore if I see an article from the guy again, I just thought that making a public statement which implied a warning was all that would fix this situation was a bit pathetic.
I stand corrected, most of the Kitguru articles are really good.
Thank you for clearing this up, I read your article. Very good reaction, thank you.
I’m glad you’ve dealt with the biased comment in the article. To me however, the whole article is poorly written, it’s not at all in line with the quality articles we usually see and expect from KitGuru.
You can’t match the 980 TI with a Fury X.
But it’s not far behind, if buying a GTX 970 is ok how is that different to a Fury X? the AMD card is way better than the 970 – But it won’t match the 980 TI
http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
wow How does this site have any credit with writing like that. tabloid news status.
What you just said makes you just as much a fanboy as anyone else. So you are no better
My question is: What would make AMD RAM any less better or worse than any other RAM?
Some people, of a certain opinion, would answer you with, “The AMD label.”
Truthfully, if it’s made by the same company that makes AMD’s DDR3 sticks, it’s Patriot RAM with an AMD label on it. So if you see someone bashing it because it’s AMD, and they’re running Patriot RAM in their Intel system, laugh at them.
These days, RAM is RAM, and only the most sensitive synthetic benchmarks will even be able to recognize a difference between AMD DDR4 2400 and ADATA DDR4 2400 and (insert manufacturer here) DDR 2400.
Because Fury X cards are just flying off shelves…. AMD is the better GPU option at the mid-high end… only beat by Nvidia at low-end (950) and the enthusiast class (980ti) … i myself own a fury X but the reason i bought it is i want to see AMD survive and support them in their current crisis and because i disagree with Gameworks completely … both sides make fantastic GPU’s
Well, he did the right thing in apologising, or the internet would have been in flames!
We love AMD because AMD loves it’s customers, fagot! ;P
The Fury X has other non-cosmetic advantages.
-It’s a short card, which is great for certain generally small or ITX builds.
-It comes with a very high quality, custom CLC system stock, and runs very quiet (with the exception of units with pump noise, which can be RMA’d)
-It has significantly more shader hardware and memory bandwidth than the 980 Ti / Titan X, which may prove to be beneficial in the future in DX12 titles.
-4k performance is excellent. I don’t actually know why anyone would buy a Fury X for a configuration with less than the total pixel count in 4k.
-Freesync. If you wish to get a 144hz monitor, you almost certainly want to get one enabled with Freesync or G-Sync, as achieving 144 fps minimums is going to be very hard, as this becomes bottlenecked by the CPU. FreeSync panels are ~$150 cheaper on average, follow a standard (which Intel has also adopted), and the extra cash can go into a beefier GPU.
-Crossfire scales much better than SLi at the moment, especially at high resolutions.
“OC 980 TI beats the Fury X by 20+ fps”
Yes, an OC’d 980 Ti. I mean, that’s a very good apples-to-apples comparison you have there, especially when ‘fps’ is a relative measure of performance. 20 fps higher when the Fury X is achieving 150 fps? 20 fps higher when it’s achieving 30 fps? This is not a useful metric at all, and is game and settings-dependent.
Surely, when you buy a 980 Ti you are absolutely *guaranteed* that every unit will hit high clocks. In reality most users will not OC their cards regardless, and many are certain to get the short end of the stick. It’s preferable to have guaranteed performance at stock clocks than to play the silicon lottery, especially in multi-GPU configurations. (On nVidia hardware you must have identical clocks across all GPUs, thus, if you have one card that can achieve 1500 mhz, and another that can only achieve 1200 mhz, all must run at 1200 mhz. On AMD hardware this is not the case, and different cards can operate at different frequencies, so there’s some leeway for AMD users there.)
To counter your point that somehow AMD users are more susceptible to purchasing products based on cosmetics over performance, there were many who purchased a Titan Z (anecdotal accounts of rich kids, for the most part) over a r9 295×2, many who purchased a Titan even after the release of the considerably cheaper r9 290x, and many who purchased a Titan X even when a 980 Ti was available which provides near identical performance.
Given other equal considerations (a match of price/perf), many are willing to purchase an AMD product over an Intel or nVidia product due to AMD’s financial situation and poor representation in the market. AMD is the only other alternative in both the x86 and dGPU space.
When I bought my first (nVidia, I might add) graphics card, there were many other competitors in the GPU market. Matrox, S3, 3dFX, ATi, and nVidia. Now only ATi (who AMD bought) and nVidia remain.
In the CPU market, the third option in the late 90’s was Cyrix, of which I still have one of their processors. They were responsible for forcing Intel to reduce prices on CPUs (which brought about the Celeron line as well), while AMD was simultaneously pounding Intel in the ass with the Athlon line from a performance perspective. Now Cyrix is gone, and only AMD and Intel remain.
Personally, I enjoy low-cost, fast hardware. I enjoy building extremely fast machines with 2-way and 3-way GPU setups with fast processors and triple-display configurations at a reasonable price. Currently that is still happening in the GPU space as AMD is competitive. In the CPU space this is not the case, and they’re effectively sidelined until at least 2016. In the meantime Intel has completely stagnated and no longer chases performance, and thus we get small performance improvements generation-over-generation, and no real increase in core count, so game developers and gamers get screwed. If you wish for the problem to get worse in both the x86 and dGPU space, then you may proceed.
Well guess we know who pays the bills here….
He is annoyed that his company has been found out as a Nvidia shill and now loses any “credibility” as a real news site.
Where is Antons apology?
What bothers me most about this is that now I cannot trust Kitguru, or ANY of their writers to be able to leave their own personal biases out of their articles. I’m going to assume the author of this article is an nvidia fan, and in my experience, they tend to be nothing but inflammatory, down to openly cheering for the bankruptcy of AMD (as if it would help them in some way, but in reality nvidia would be ripping off their customers more). I know that from now on, I won’t be able to read one review on this site covering any AMD or Nvidia product without thinking they are being unfairly hard on the prior and apologists for the latter. I hope the writer was terminated, but I guess it wouldn’t matter as nothing will be able to restore my confidence in this site…Journalism is supposed to be unbiased and independent, but I guess this site is like the Fox news of the tech world.
so, look at Jayztwocents review of the 390 vs the 970, he concludes that in “no way can he recommend the 970 over the 390” but in the comments section, nvidia fans are still saying the 970 is better and that they would still buy it, the willful ignorance you describe is just as apart of nvidia as anyone else. Personally I would buy the fury x over the 980ti, because it does just as well in 4k, but also because I do not support nvidia’s low handed tactics that hurt the gaming community such as gameworks, pr how they just put out a statememt to developers urging them not to use Async comute because nvidia cards can’t do it as well, overcharging, etc…nvidia is bad for the community at large, and AMD at least is behind free technology such as freesync, making hbm a jedec standard, mantle, etc…that’s why i support AMD, what has nvidia ever given to the community without trying to squeeze every penny out of us and trying to unfairly keep down competition?
Anton used to be far more objective in his articles at Xbitlabs. I used to enjoy many of his articles on that website and in fact many times Xbitlabs would be the first to cover some interesting topics that he would write about (I presume based on his inside sources). This is very uncharacteristic of him. It’s perfectly OK to recognize that NV is the leader in graphics at the moment, both in terms of perf/watt, absolute performance in a single-chip product with Titan X and 980Ti, mobile GTX980 and market share. However, personal opinions of the writer should not be reflected in an article that purveys general information about a product announcement. Even the first part of his statement seems short-sighted:
“AMD’s Radeon R7 DDR4 memory modules are not performance champions,”
^ We can presume that as DDR4 evolves, AMD will eventually introduce speeds higher than DDR4 2400.
Glad to hear that you have resolved your PR with AMD.
20 fps in almost every benchmark? Stop making shit up kid.
At 1440P, 980Ti is 8% faster and at 4K, only 1% separates Fury X and 980Ti:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_Nano_CrossFire/25.html
Stock Fury X CF is actually faster than stock 980Ti SLI.
http://www.techspot.com/review/1033-gtx-980-ti-sli-r9-fury-x-crossfire/
Many people bought reference 980Ti cards for SLI and otherwise. Not only is a reference 980Ti slower in SLI but it’s way louder too. 980Ti only shines under water or in an after-market form.
I have 1 machine with an AMD processor and an nVidia card, every other machine is an nVidia+Intel combo. Good to see that you have 0 argumentation as to how something like this does not damage a journalists credibility.
that is right.
same thing.
l love this article too,because the writer
makes this site stupid,ha,ha…
in dx12,980ti is nothing,you blind.
good article,we want more.
I don’t care, we know he wouldn’t be sincere anyway. I don’t even understand fanboys. I was an Nvidia-exclusive customer for over 10 years of my life starting from the earliest pre-Geforce products (like the Riva series) and didn’t buy ATi (although I did buy lots of AMD processors + Nvidia GPU’s) but even I never thought ATi or AMD (after it bought ATi) ever made bad products or that people shouldn’t buy them.
Nowadays I buy almost exclusively AMD because I like the products and their bang/budget in the performance ranges I need. I don’t think their drivers are bad (on Windows at least, I’m a Linux gamer too and admit that yes, their Linux drivers need SERIOUS work) and I don’t understand anyone who fanboys for Intel or Nvidia.
At the very least people should appreciate how AMD keeps Intel and Nvidia from being exploitative monopolies, but I also feel that they make good products. Sure, I also feel that their marketing sucks, and that they need an answer to the 750Ti (which is the card I recommend to most casual gamers who ask me, because they don’t want to replace their PSU) but I am supportive of AMD and would never unfairly disparage them or their customers, especially considering that I’m also one of those customers.
AMD does nothing! All the Radeon Memory products are actually from “Dataram” with a licensed AMD sticker on top. It is practically a rebadge! Anton may have been right in the core of his article, but the wording was ‘not ideal’.
The so called perf/watt is something AMD lacks behind. The new credo is price/performance. Anton seems to be more in the hardware-elitist category and does not compromize. Why would you buy a product if it is not the best performaner? The answer would be ‘visual appearance’. Well, it probably should have been a joke made by Anton, but some of the AMD fans take jokes a bit to serious.
The usual suspects troll and attack a journalist instead of writing something useful, which is sad!
Your information are outdated! The DDR3 were indeed Patriout relabled AMD RAM. Yet the DDR4 are from ‘Dataram’. Not a bad brand, but although not the top-end. There are tons of differences between each and every RAM module. Compatibility, stability, speeds and general quality can vary much in spectrum.
Except for the AMD logo nothing speaks for this modules. Anton did mention this in a way which could rub extreme AMD fans the wrong way.
Well, no, my information isn’t outdated so much as I didn’t have any information. Note the phrasing – IF it’s made by the same company, then it’s Patriot RAM. I don’t know who makes it, but I know their DDR3 was made by Patriot, so there’s likely a good chance that this DDR4 is Patriot, too. I was taking an educated guess based on past patterns. I now know better – thank you.
And no, Anton mentioning that AMD’s DDR4 sticks aren’t top-of-the-line high-speed isn’t what rubbed extreme AMD fans the wrong way. It was the outright accusation that AMD users don’t care about performance and make purchase decisions based on aesthetics alone, and the obviously intentionally derogatory intent behind that statement.
“Why would you buy a product if it is not the best performaner? The answer would be ‘visual appearance’.”
Quite possibly the dumbest comment in this entire thread. By that logic, no one would buy a GTX 970 because the 980 is the better performer. No one would buy a 960 because the 380 is the better performer. The only reason therefore to buy a 970 is for “visual appearance” – and by that metric, there are millions of 970 owners who only care about visual appearance. And Anton’s comment should therefore have been that fans of Nvidia GTX 970s make their purchasing decisions based on aesthetics and not on performance.
Of course, also by that logic, no one would buy a 980 because the 980Ti is better – but no one should buy that either because the Titan X is even better – unless you just like the look of a 980Ti more.
So, again by YOUR logic, Nvidia shouldn’t bother making anything except reference Titan X and aftermarket GTX 980Ti. And AMD shouldn’t bother making anything except Fury X.
See where your logic is stupid?
Yes I know, that is why I have issued an apology front page and taken action.
Well thats a shame because I think the hardware teams reviews of the Fury X, Fury and NANO were all great and completely founded on many many weeks of testing – links are available in this post http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/ . AMD are working with us and they sampled us the NANO and the relationship is fine.
I agree, this article is poor from Anton in the news team, and I took it into my own hands to edit it, post an apology and take action internally. If you don’t trust that as a genuine open course of action (rather than just deleting this post and pretending it didn’t happen which would have been easier) then I am sorry to see you go. I took it very seriously and have interacted with a lot of people. Again at least you have plenty of choice on the net to get all your tech news and reviews.
Best of luck in the future, Allan.
Thanks for the viewpoint BestJinjo.
Absolutely nothing to do with Fury. We already reviewed Fury X, Fury and NANO – which was officially sampled by AMD – our relationship with AMD is fine and that is old news and I must admit it does appear that people who come here to complain don’t actually regularly read the site which is interesting.
In regards to this DDR4 story as it is the only thing relevant to this thread, yes this article is poor and I have edited it and issued a public apology for it – I am not standing behind it. http://www.kitguru.net/site-news/announcements/zardon/kitguru-apology-regarding-amd-ddr4-memory-news-story/
AMD recent reviews:
Reviews: Fury X http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/visiontek-radeon-r9-fury-x-4gb-review/
Fury http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/sapphire-tri-x-radeon-r9-fury-4gb/
Nano http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/luke-hill/amd-radeon-r9-nano-4gb-review/
Do you even have a clue what you are talking about? The visual appearance is the looks of the hardware inside the case, not on the screen.
Anton Shilov adressed the modders and AMD fans who have windowed cases and like to look at their hardware from outside. For him this is the only reason to buy this memory products. It’s a ideological one and/or a subjective taste.
Fact is that there is way better DDR4-RAM. There is no need to buy AMD (or relabled Dataram) except you are a huge fan of the brand. Don’t speak if you can’t understand the logic of others and mix it with your own distorted view on all the arguments.
because those 20fps are really visibile at 1080p ;P most people are at 60hz yo funneh
When sites want us to stop using adblockers so they can produce high quality content but then put out crap like this.
(try not to delete this comment this time Kitguru, it might’ve been the fault of a single person but it’s still a valid point).
I see. Thanks for the update. I really hope this actually never happens again, because that writer caused KitGuru massive amounts of embarrassment all over the internet — where it counts too. I was actually pointed to this article from Reddit. You can let your mind wander on how big the uproar was when this broke.
Was it really ‘derogatory’? To be honest, since a few years no AMD product is bought because of performance. They get bought because they sell at ridiculous low prices. Some users never get tired of this “bang-for-the-buck” and “price/performance”. Others tend to the “avoid-monopoly” train. Visual appearance and ideology play a big part in this.
Maybe Anton meant it sarcastic because AMD hardly be taken serious any more. I say this very objective and calm! A company which has to sell CPUs of the competition in their own projects (see ‘Project Quantum’) is not competitive at all. Now they sell RAM for the competitors plattform only. So many things don’t fit here, and the AMD fans are part of the whole thing. It is never nice to be called out, yet there is always a piece of truth in there.