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Tesla has taken flack from the CEO of Murray Energy Corporation, Robert Murray, who claimed that it is taking far too much in taxpayer subsidies, while failing to turn a large profit to counter it. Tesla founder Elon Musk has fired back, saying it's nothing compared to the coal industry, but would rather see neither of them with subsidies.
“Tesla is a fraud,” said Murray when asked about the electric car maker. “He's gotten two billion dollars from the tax payer and hasn't made a penny yet […] Here again it's subsidies.”
He went on to claim that Hilary Clinton had plans to support her “friends,” like Elon Musk and that the talk of battling climate change was nothing more than a message of support for some of the richest people in America.
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Musk didn't take these statements lying down however and along with tweeting out a link to the video in question, he said that the real fraud was denying climate change, something that Murray has made a particular goal of his in the past decade. Indeed at the end of the interview above, he said:
“You could close down every coal mining place in the U.S. today and you would not effect the temperature of the planet at all.”
Real fraud going on is denial of climate science. As for "subsidies", Tesla gets pennies on dollar vs coal. How about we both go to zero?
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 10, 2016
Murray is sometimes called the King of Coal, as his is one of the few companies which continues to invest in the dirty energy solution, is still buying up mines and champions it as a cost effective option.
Musk however pointed out that coal and other fossil fuels were only as cheap as they were because of much greater subsidies given to those industries. Here in the UK, despite a previous pledge to phase out those subsidies, when David Cameron was prime minister, he increased them, granting close to £6 billion to coal, gas and oil industries.
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KitGuru Says: Watching Murray talk about coal as some sort of great industry, is like a scene from Thank You For Smoking. It's crazy talk.
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“You could close down every coal mining place in the U.S. today and you would not effect the temperature of the planet at all.”
This is actually true because global warming/cooldown is natural process.
Of which has been accelerated greatly by human intervention. But you’re right, it is true since the carbon levels in the atmosphere are past the point of no return as of recently
what are you trying to say?
Also, I wonder how much “bad stuff” does the mining contribute versus the actual burning of it after it’s been mined?
Ideally, we should stop using coal on consumer level as much as currently possible without severely degrading our lifestyle. Cars? All of them should stop using coal immediately. We’re far enough to provide less climate destructive alternatives on fuel. I agree with Musk. Let them both go to zero. Murray will go bankrupt in months.
Lock them both in with the exhausts from their products… Mo more coal scum…
Lock yourself in with it and see how long you last… That shoudl tell you something you suicidal maniacs…
I’m saying that anything we do will not matter because climate change will happen anyway although not as fast.
Climate change is mostly caused by sun, cosmic rays and clouds.
Check out this document
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANMTPF1blpQ
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160825113235.htm