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While Intel is keeping quiet on its upcoming Kaby Lake desktop processors for now, it looks one retailer got sick of waiting as earlier this month, a listing for the Core i7 7700K CPU popped up online, listing a price as well as some key specifications, giving us a good idea of what to expect.
The listing appeared on an Estonian retail website, listing the Core i7 7700K for 360 euros, which is fairly standard. As far as specifications go, the 7700K is going to be the usual 4 core/8 thread configuration, with 8MB of L3 cache, and a 95W TDP.
While all of that was expected, Intel has apparently made some changes to clock rates according to this leak, with the 7700K running at 4.2GHz base and boosting up to 4.5GHz, which is higher than earlier rumours pointed to. That said, it makes sense, given a 4.5GHz overclock has been fairly achievable on Intel's unlocked desktop CPUs for some time now. The Intel Core i5 7600K will also be a quad-core chip, though it will not have hyper threading. This one will be running at 3.8GHz base with a 4GHz boost clock.
Intel's upcoming Kaby Lake CPUs will run on the LGA 1151 socket, with support for things like USB 3.1 and of course, DDR4 memory. Unfortunately, the listing has since been taken down but a screenshot can be found at wccftech. The retailer did list pricing and spec information but unfortunately, it did not give us a release date, so that information still needs to be uncovered.
KitGuru Says: Intel did change its release cycle this year, so while Kaby Lake is going to be an improvement over Skylake, it won't be ushering in major advancements like jumping from 14nm to 10nm. Are any of you planning on building a new system soon? Do you think you'll hold off for the release of Kaby Lake?
I’m planning on getting the 7700K but i’m not actually holding off or waiting for it, i just don’t have the money right now but i’ll probably have around January so i might as well get the latest chip available. If i had the money NOW i would just get the 6700K and call it a day.
I will be upgrading to Kabylake and Z270 chipset when they are out. With 4.5GHz boost clock, I seriously doubt that I will be overclocking the chip except to set all the cores at 4.5GHz. This would be my first ever in the past 15 years that I have not bothered not to overclock. I could save on buying an expensive mobo with over-engineered parts for overclocking and can go with a lower end CPU air cooler.
Or go zen 8 Cores 16 threads vrs 4 cores 8 threads at possibly the same price and the IPC being only about 10% behind possibly you can easily expect some serious competition.
6700K should drop a bit in price after kaby’s release so that might make it an even better deal ?
I run a 6700K *undervolted* at 4.5ghz so the 7700K has 0 appeal in any respect.
Yeah if there is a considerably price drop i can consider getting the 6700k but i live in south america so the prices sometimes go up because of the dollar exchange rate spikes. If the difference in price is small i’ll just settle with 7700K, otherwise i can go with 6700K if there is a good deal.
behhh… … i was expecting to skylake blow up my ivy bridge… but no… Lost my faith…
I’ve got an i7 5930K at 4.5ghz at the moment. I think i’m good for a while.
I’ve got an i7 5930K at 4.5ghz at the moment. I think i’m good for a while.
I kinda doubt jumping to 10nm is going to do much of anything with regards to performance. High performance parts will be on 14nm for awhile yet.
It’ll be more than 10% behind. It’ll be great on highly threaded jobs but otherwise expect a catch up chip perhaps matching Haswell for everything else.
Whut.
You said possibly with such authority.
Zen isn’t going to be that good. Sorry to be the barer of bad news.
Windows 10 only to run it. I’ll pass.
I held out from my 3770k and waited till Broadwell revision 3 and got the 6900k now and it’s at a stable 4.3ghz (could possibly push it more but no real benifit) so I’m good too 🙂
Lmao i love your optimisem but I wouldn’t hold you breath for AMD to actually bring out anything that can actually compete with Intel
I hope it works out for them I really do but I can’t see it realistically unless there keeping something under there hat
Im guessing he was expecting skylake to be something like 30-40% faster theb ivybridge
I wont trust that Estonian website, because im from Estonia and that website seems shady
I’m still playing with a 2500k. I’m thinking I’ll upgrade to the new CPU’s – should go nicely with the new GTX 1060
Nice. I will wait to see which one is best. Zen vs kabey lake in February. Showdown.
Did you ignore the cinibench test that had it slightly edge out the
brodwell-e chip speed for speed on an early engineering sample.remember
broadwell is about 3-4%behind skylake and haswell is under 5% behind
that. and I don’t expect that on the IPC kabbylake will be more then 5%
ahead of skylake. so if it is matching brodwell 10% behind is not that
far off
Honestly I think that Intel is kinda desperate in sucking money and keeps releasing new stuff as often as possible. And this situation tells us that Intel’s cost of production of these chips is very very low. It just doesn’t matter if a generation had sell much or not, keep releasing new processors day and night.
I mean, in the end this strategy benefits the more mindful consumers. We know that any generation since Sandy Bridge didn’t make any colossal progress, releasing new technology every year devalues the precedent one. So Intel is unwillingly making a more than decent system affordable to everyone.
No it will work on any os it will just be unsupported officially
That BLENDER test was rigged. It just a matter of how.
Inferior memory setup on the Intel system
Manipulated cache timings on the Intel system.
Using an image exactly big enough to fit in Zen’s L2 but not Intel’s (performance is dictated by cache friendliness in all applications).
Using custom code for the AMD platform hand-optimized by AMD engineers (Blender is open-source, making this very easy to do).
FUck u
I’m from Estonia, too. I’m in the New York district, suburb of Mexico-Canada.
LOL
Holding off my new build just for the Kaby Lake.. It’s either Kaby Lake or Skylake lmao
Highly doubtful the price of Intel CPUs is quite stable competition from amd is the only thing likely the chance that
The recent AMD demo showcased Zen matching Broadwell-E in CPU-limited Blender, so Kaby Lake will defintely be ahead of Zen in IPC. The only unknowns are price and overclockability.
Unsupported officially means no drivers, how can you install an aging OS on a new hardware without drivers? Or could I somehow install Win XP without official support on Skylake?
“With 4.5GHz boost clock, I seriously doubt that I will be overclocking the chip except to set all the cores at 4.5GHz”
I’m pretty sure that is Intel’s plan with the upper-end of their Client platform, to eventually produce non-K high-frequency processors at a premium within stock TDP. If anyone still wants to overclock, we’d go to Intel’s X-chipset with >6 core options that won’t overclock as high to maintain relevancy of the high-freq mainstream.
I figure such an action is only a few years away.
Ugh, what happened those folks that marveled at the +50% overclock of a Bloomfield processor to settling for meager overlocks on Skylake? It is like they’ve been conditioned to accept less and less that, in the end, if Intel set a high enough frequency for a non-K with no overclocking option, I’ll bet people would cease to be overclockers.
“…but I wouldn’t hold you breath for AMD to actually bring out anything that can actually compete with Intel”
What do you think compete means? The biggest threat competition can bring on another business is taking market share, which has nothing to do with having something equal or better according to enthusiasts because they aren’t buying every type of SKU offered. There are plenty here that would disregard any effort of AMD taking away i3 sales from Intel as long as they aren’t making a dent in i5/i7 sales.
to be fair, I never overclock my CPUs. Also, the most intensive thing I do on my PC is gaming. Therefore, I am looking for something in the core i5 price range…~300$. So once they are both released, I will look at the benchmarks, evaluate the products for my needs and then take a decision. Also, there is the chipset features to compare.
In the past, shrinks allowd the company to raise the clocks until the TDP matched an older slower model, that’s the effective gain people may have taken for granted due to each progressive node. but Intel has leveled out each new series’ freqencies over the years, and somehow the TDP hasn’t been steadily dropping as it ought to. Of coruse there are more circuits in the die thesedays than just the CPU cores and associated cache memory, plus TDP is just a category, it isn’t actual value.
For instance, the 4GHz i7-6700K is stuck in the 95W TDP category, but the i7-6700 at 3.4GHz is stuck in the 65W TDP bracket, how? 3.4 vs 4.0 is a mere 15% in frequency difference; so either the 6700K at 4GHz is closer to 76W or the 3.4GHz is supposed to be a 80W processor. But a processor only gets the TDP is it falls below it, so 6700 is in the price place, while Intel is overrating the 6700K deliberately. It does imply a lot of potential headroom for a future 14nm SKU, but Intel isn’t doing it.
But mathematically, anything from a 5GHz quad-core to a 3.33GHz 6-core at 14nm can still fit withint 95W TDP. 10nm would only up the bar even further, but it looks like Intel needs another reason than just to impress us or make us buy their stuff to introduce such SKUs.
Fair enough, since not overclocking can put IPC differences into the back burner if each company sets the base/turbo clocks accordingly. Factory overclocks have worked so far for Intel.
You don’t need drivers for CPUs you ditz. Also, the same x86 code that ran on an old chip runs on a new one. Intel doesn’t take away instruction sets. Also, Intel makes the iGPU drivers, not Microsoft. Kaby Lake could run Windows 95 if you really wanted.
That test was rigged. It’s only a matter of how. Dresdenboy’s release of the AOTS benchmarks against the 5960X is much more realistic.
It’s basically due to absolutely zero competition from AMD against Intel’s i3+ range. They do whatever they want right now when it comes to parts.. they’re just rolling in the profits. They’re going to get their money’s worth from 14nm.
That’s the reality of silicon switching speed ceilings. Even if they clocked much higher, you’d start losing IPC due to signaling latency.
If Windows would allow me to upgrade my platform without having to buy a new copy of Windows I would consider it…
We should all just use STALKER per thread CPU results for a benchmark… would be just as valid as AOTS lol…
AOTS is a real game that has a set x86 implementation. It’s not a comprehensive benchmark suite like the SAP business benchmark pack or a targeted benchmark like Cinebench, but it is a valid, known workload where direct comparison can be made.
Thing is, it is just a game. Not a real CPU benchmark. Not even the most demanding game, not the best AI or physics.Great DX12 Demo and implementation, but not what i’d see as a CPU bench…
*The reason I used STALKER is because A-Life and ODE hammer the CPU hard.
They don’t hammer it at all. They hamstring it. Scalar code with busy locks and no back-off algorithms.
Doesnt matter. No other game has such requirements, paying the price for ancient (code-wise) sick ambitions will always be performance.
With my i7 2600k im good for now
Requirements are not indicative of real demand.
The requirements are for 2006 CPUs…
Why upgrade to Z270 if you’re not going to overclock? Z series chipsets are made for overclocking, you might be able to save some bucks opting for a Q or H series mobo…
Some games will still see a benefit from higher IPC, but yeah a 6900K at 4.3ghz is def a force to be reckoned with. Gratz on your upgrade, man. Me personally, I cant wait till tax time. I’m probably gonna pick up two 1080ti’s and an HTC vive because I’ve been dying to get wet in some VR.
I am just waiting for zen. They say zen will be fast as a 5960x! That’s good enough for me.
Are we really expecting a visible performance jump from skylake? Don’t kid yourself. The only thing that has room for improvement is the gpu and the consumption.
You could just go with the bigger Ghz numbers, though. And feel better about yourself. I just dont see the value in it apart from that.
Thx bro. Yeah I’m waiting on the 1080ti too but will prob only grab one for a wile then get a second at a later date
Wasn’t really enough price to performance value for me to get a 1080 cuz I already have a 980ti so couldn’t justify it
Yes!! The toughest test of single thread CPU performance I’ve ever come across. I’ve got a 4790k at 4.9ghz with hyperthreading turned off and it still isn’t enough for max settings at 4k with everything turned up. One core is totally maxed out, the other three are doing very little and the GPU is bottlenecked… it runs at about 70%… so I’m really looking forward to Kaby Lake and some single thread performance numbers once overclocked…
No increase in IPC (or at most 2-3%) and some better clocks. Soon mate… Zen + and maybe Cannonlake? DDR5 era? We would finally max STALKER 😛
I did read somewhere that they planned a Skylake Xeon chip based on a 20-odd core die with only 4 of those cores enabled BUT all the 60MB L3 cache left in place and running at a base clock of 5.1Ghz. I would save/sell other stuff to afford that chip! Would probably be the best gaming CPU ever made.
Honestly, it would be great for gaming. However in actuality, a 10 core with even 5.2 GHz would beat this one in games 🙁
There’s no way in hell that it can overall match a Broadwell-E. That’s not going to happen. It’s one benchmark highlighting it’s multi-threading capabilities, like I said. Specific workloads.. You’ll see. 40% more IPC still will not match any recent Intel chip per core. It’s strength is the eight cores which is why the released benchmarks will only highlight it’s strengths.
I think you’ll find that Intel is just limiting the performance of their lower end parts to push sales of the K. Regarding the smaller process, this is driving power savings more than performance. They’re deliberately making the chips smaller to lower cost of production while moving performance as much as they need to generate sales.
Technically, it could run 16-bit versions of DOS — it could even do so without RAM if you could find a BIOS that would let it, since the entire address space would fit inside the L3 cache.
according to the PDF from Intel https://qdms.intel.com/dm/i.aspx/2a69f011-5e00-4a13-aacd…/PCN115022-00.pdf, they should start delivering the product on November 4, 2016.
My girlfriend & I are gamers as well & we’re upgrading to 7700k for the oc. If you play mmorpgs like Warcraft, Blade & Soul, even bf4 on 64 player maps there is no CPU powerful enough to not bottleneck a 1070+ gpu. But if you play league of legends or RPGs like batmans or tomb raiders then it’s silly to buy an i7 unlocked. Most gamers I know play games where they might interact with 60+ players in a given area, or have games with excessive ground detail like the grass in Crysis 3. Even The Witcher 3 has some cities infested with a large number of npcs that makes a 6600k oced to 4.6ghz cry. All these are connected to the current cpu restrictions. So this entire myth that you don’t need a powerful CPU for gaming is getting kind of old… The majority of modern AAA titles support at least 4 cores they key is you want each of those 4 cores to be as strong as possible.
I would need to run some tests. But whenever I look at CPU reviews from let’s say Anandtech, and I look at the gaming benchmarks….it seems like all CPUs from the last 3-4 years give almost the same FPS numbers. Seems like GPU is affecting frame rate much more than CPU. I do agree that in certain situations it could be a bottle neck, but for me personally, I don’t play multiplayer games (though Star Citizen might change that).
Nice! Me too. It’s a good chip
You can transfer the license to a new machine, I recently went from X99 to Z170 because of X99s problems with PCIe and RAM incompatibilities (despite 3 bios updates), the new mobo wouldnt activate so i used the manual activation system and it activated fine, i booted up the old system and that was now deactivated.
I did a comparison with HT on and off on a 4790K @ 4.8GHz in Black Ops 3, at max settings 1080p and unlimited fps, HT on resulted in 75%CPU/100%GPU usage throughout, HT off resulted in multiple spots of 100%CPU and the GPU never quite maxed out, leaving the fps down by about 30 on average compared to HT on,
The bridges alone are one reason I usually stick to AMD for graphics. No bridges required. If the 490 is as beast as it’s looking out to be i’m gonna pick up two of those instead.