On Thursday Deputy Editor In Chief Luke Hill published KitGuru's first round of AMD Ryzen coverage with a detailed 9,000 word analysis of the flagship Ryzen 7 1800X processor (read HERE). Even with some rather noticeable 1080p game performance issues, Luke felt the overall package from AMD was still very compelling and it earned our MUST HAVE award.
It was clear to see that the flagship AMD Ryzen 7 1800X excels at rendering, video encoding, media conversion, file archival, cryptographic operations and mathematical computation. It is worth bearing in mind that Intel's flagship 5960X and 6950x processors still ship at £1050 and £1,600 respectively. The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X has hit retail at £489.99. When you look at some of the computational results, it is hard to believe that those Intel processors are more than twice, or three times the price.
Anything that gives Intel competition has to be seen as good, even for Intel fans. If they finally drive down some of their frankly ridiculous prices, it benefits everyone.
It hasn't taken long to see that Intel prices are already dropping. Score one for AMD.
A few days after the launch we felt it was important to ask our readers what they thought. It has been after all one of the most hyped, talked about hardware launches in the last decade.
The results of our poll show a sample size of just over 1,000 people.
Of those people polled, just over 26% said they have ordered, or will be ordering a Ryzen processor soon. Another 33% said they will be ordering one – but not just right now. Likely the costs to move to a new platform are proving prohibitive for this audience and money will need to be saved.
Gaming performance has been the single biggest talking point of the Ryzen launch, and 25.2% of our readers polled said they will not be moving because of this. This audience are likely hardcore gamers using Skylake or Kaby Lake platforms. Only 4.4% of readers polled said that AMD Ryzen 7 was a flop.
KitGuru Deputy Editor In Chief Luke Hill said ‘Gaming performance is a disappointing aspect of the Ryzen 7 CPU. Despite its high clock speed and solid single-thread performance (shown by Cinebench), the CPU cannot compete with modern Core i7 CPUs in many games and sometimes gets beaten by a 4.2GHz Kaby Lake i5.' This is just at 1080p mind you because at Ultra HD 4k resolutions, most games become GPU dependant, so there is very little difference between AMD Ryzen 7 and the Intel counterparts.
AMD are aware of the problem and have already spoken about 1080p gaming concerns.
They said: “CPU benchmarking deficits to the competition in certain games at 1080p resolution can be attributed to the development and optimization of the game uniquely to Intel platforms – until now. Even without optimizations in place, Ryzen delivers high, smooth frame rates on all ‘CPU-bound’ games, as well as overall smooth frame rates and great experiences in GPU-bound gaming and VR. With developers taking advantage of Ryzen architecture and the extra cores and threads, we expect benchmarks to only get better, and enable Ryzen excel at next generation gaming experiences as well.”
AMD expect Ryzen performance to continue to improve over time as new games get released and old games get additional optimisation tweaks. This is why AMD has been making partnerships with studios like Bethesda, to ensure popular games are properly tuned to make proper use of Ryzen going forward.
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KitGuru says: It is clear to see that a lot of our readers are, or will be moving to the Ryzen platform. Welcome back AMD.
Interesting results. I doubt it will have a 2/3 uptake but if over the next few months AMD can make a noticeable dent in Intel’s 80% control right now then it’s good news. I’m looking forward to seeing the steam charts over the next couple of months to see how things change.
She get paid.
I hope that the fixes to Windows scheduling will bring a decent gaming boost.
I’m not in the market for this anyway, currently planning to buy a G4560 + RX 460 (because AMD hasn’t released Bristol Ridge).
1700 in the house!
Now just need a BIOS update to pick up the memory clock, and a windows update to solve SMT problem.
Thats quite a strong result for AMD really. Its a good all round processor with only the intel optimised games showing any kind of weakness. For those people wanting a PC for some music editing, photo editing or rendering – as well as gaming its a fucking hell of a lot cheaper than a 5960X which I can’t believe is STILL over £1000 in the Uk — 6950X is £1600? that used to be Xeon territory but Intel realised that idiots in the enthusiast sector would part with XEON money just to own the quickest so they raised their prices by almost 50% over the last generation 5960x – there should be a law against it. Intel should be UTTERLY ashamed of themselves for milking customers for so long. I own Intel, but lord above it makes me sick to see how much they have charged for their processors for years. I hope to god many people buy Ryzen to give AMD some strength in the market. They NEED to hold onto Jim Keller however, or their future after Ryzen looks dodgy again.
Jim Keller moved to Tesla a while ago but he was not the brains of Zen, he was part of a team lead by Michael Clark.
waiting for the 4/8 lineup of AMD to check the performance VS i5-7th gen and the price point here in the ph, planning to switch from my ever trusted i5-3570 <3
This guy knows what’s up. Intel been ripping people off so hard they can’t even see it. Anyone saying Ryzen is a flop obviously can’t read.
Econ101: supply and demand. If you’re the only decent supplier, you can charge whatever you want. People will pay for it.
Of course, the flip side is that you don’t get a lot of consumer loyalty. And so a lot of people with switch when something better comes along.
Win 7 has no scheduling issue so Ryzen runs 15% faster on Win 7 vs Win 10 for the time being.
I’d change the platform TODAY, but it isn’t worth it, i’ve managed to build myself a pretty decent skylake rig in the past months, and since i’m also not a hardcore gamer nor a content producer, i don’t need the best, i wouldn’t be able to use that with my current pc tasks.
Jim Keller showed AMD what to do with Zen for the next few years to ensure it stays competitive. I think they built Zen really well for scalability.
Does VSR/DSR change Ryzen performance if you use a 1080p monitor but VSR/DSR to 1440p/4k?
Ryzen better get it’s act together for the mainstream parts launch because those are the ones most people actually care about and buy, not some low clocked 8 core workstation.
It’s all well and good just about being in the game in a small consumer niche against Broadwell-E (which is entirely replaced this summer BTW,) but not being in competition for OEM and notebooks markets (they all want an iGPU) or mainstream gaming markets….
I’m more than happy and impressed with what I’ve seen of the ryzen performance so far.The price point is fair and obviously the 6/4 core chips will sell well for full on gamers at their projected price points.As far as I’m concerned,Intel have and deserve a damn good kicking coming-not only for their incredibly dishonest business practises,but also for price gouging (several) generations of gamers.Whatever your bag is re:pc usage,this is a win-win situation for ALL of us irrespective of where your loyalties lie.Viva la competition!
I agree. Although I’ve been an Intel fanboy since the days of the original Pentium I am outraged by their price gouging. I have a two year old Haswell (4790K) and I recently looked into a possible upgrade – and was appalled at the offerings. Kaby Lake seemed no better than my current processor and anything above four cores came with a massive price premium. I quickly realized that there was really no upgrade path to speak of and gave up on those plans.
When I heard about Ryzen 7 (and its price) I was overjoyed, since AMD was now offering a viable and affordable upgrade (I still find it amazing that they’re willing to sell a 16 thread processor for $329). I’m heavily into distributed computing so those extra cores and threads will be put to great use and I’m really looking forward to seeing how it performs. I preordered a Ryzen 7 and I’m giddy with excitement (frankly, I haven’t been this excited since the days of the Thunderbird and the R300 – coincidentally, they’re both AMD/ATI products).
I’m also a gamer and I’m aware of the lackluster gaming numbers, but it seems like an academic point more than anything else (it also seems like it’s a software optimization issue). As a gamer, the only hardware that really matters (for gaming) is the GPU. This is because I never run my games at a setting where the CPU becomes the limiting factor, and when frames start dropping I always think about getting a faster GPU (I recently upgraded from a Kepler [780] to a Pascal [1080] and the difference is little short of phenomenal). As long as the CPU isn’t complete garbage it do fine for gaming, just as long as it’s paired with a very powerful GPU.
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Link? I found anecdotal evidence, but not suggestive of 15%.
How so, when Ryzen is already half the price of Intel’s high end parts?
You mean the top end 8 core is half the price. The rest aren’t, and Intel have been cutting prices. They will just start to accelerate away from AMD again if they have another performance advantage at HEDT within a few months. It already sounds like they will shift the end high end metric and deliver 10-12 cores to their new desktop platform!
But it’s the mainstream that really matters most as I pointed out. Ryzen needs to do a lot better than this at 4 and 6 cores and also get an iGPU if AMD want to really impact the market.
Well now I ordered my Ryzen day 1 pre-order, an 1800 model, form Amazon UK.
The very day of release got an out of stock notice. (Or was that never in stock in the first place.)
There were no motherboards available either.
Now I did hear of the odd CPU/motherboad pooping up hear and there, so they were around, in very limited quantities.
Anyway, canceled all my orders on Amazon. Went to scan. In stock delivered by 7th march.
Great, but guess what. Yeah, you guessed it, got an out of stock from scan too.
Great launch
There are two more Zen designs and I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring him back in 4 years…
Well, it seems when he is not there, AMD does not know what to do.
what memory speed are you running? Did you run into any problem with RAM?
I want to grab a pair of 8GB Trident Z RGB 3200, but I am very worried I won’t be able to pass POST since I heard so many problem with ram speed higher than 2666
and I already have bought and have been using Ryzen
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umm ok, what’s your point?
i know you waiting for new gpu
just give you a pic does not blur and some vega bench
Ps. 687f:c3 is another one of vega is 64 CU too
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if I am upgrading my graphics this year, I am either getting another 480 and run it in crossfire with mine or getting whatever the top end small Vega card is released, that is if I can’t get an HDR ultrawide this year