There's nothing KitGuru enjoys more on a Sunday morning than analysing tech specs and financial data. With the posting of nVidia's latest results for its 3rd quarter, we were in the mood to see how the global land lies. KitGuru has been plotting (financials) and we're puzzled.
AMD VPs hate the fact that, despite their best efforts, nVidia seems to remain the darling of the stock exchange. While AMD (like ATI before it) plots a slow and steady path to growth, there's little dynamism. Stock exchanges around the world don't get excited by the slow and steady. They love nothing better than a good roller coaster, where significant money can be made on both the up and down slopes.
Historically, you'd invest in AMD stock when you wanted to be sure of being able to afford a retirement which gives you a beach holiday each year and a steady supply of Werther's Originals. On the other hand, nVidia investors have had quite a few opportunities to buy pools and sports cars. Likewise, they've also had opportunities to lose the shirts off their backs. Either way, nVidia has had an ability to consistently excite Wall Street.
With the reporting of nVidia's Q3 results, and its comment that Q4 should be in the 3-5% higher range, we decided to map the past 10 years to see what the situation looked like. The left hand axis is reported revenue in billions of dollars, taken from the company's filed reports.
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OK. That's nVidia.
What about AMD?
Well, for a start, there seems to be a slight naming difference between the two. If AMD starts the year in 2010, then that is the 2010 number, whereas nVidia labels the results by the year in which they are reported. For the purposes of these graphics, the year means ‘year in which the data will be posted'. Also, we've extrapolated the final AMD number from the 3 quarters already posted with a modest 3% increase for the busy Q4 period (up on Q3). Ignore for a second the fact that AMD's numbers are almost double nVidia's, focus instead on the peaks and troughs.
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nVidia's meteoric growth through to 2008 was fantastic news for investors. However, 3 flat years on the trot have taken some of the shine off. Jen Hsun's resurgence has been pinned to the back of the Fermi series of graphics processors. Unfortunately, the GPU market is not growing enough for everyone to carry on eating more. AMD's hopes are pinned to the much more mundane Fusion processor, which combines CPU with GPU. The integrated market shows no sign of slowing down.
With all that going on, AMD is still not as attractive as it could be to investors.
We'll leave you with one final chart. When you consider that AMD is the only compant with a CPU, GPU and Chipset offering, as well as being a key player in the console market with Wii and XBox 360, this is the chart that started our questioning this morning.
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Right now, with AMD, we're seeing a much stronger company than it was 2 years ago. Until it began a programme of serious change at the top of the organisation, its share price had remained consistently anemic for a long time. Around January 2009, we begin to see the impact that these changes have had.
This year has seen AMD revenue leap up, almost exclusively off the back of its graphics products. If the CPU and chipset teams can begin to lead in some of their respective markets, then maybe AMD could change its Wall Street profile.
For now, we have a company with 2x nVidia's revenue and a fraction of its share value. Will 20011/12 prove different?
We'll return to this analysis once AMD's year end has been announced.
KitGuru says: Fusion should provide a breakthrough. AMD has done all it can with graphics, to take the company forward and begin challenging for a position on the Fortune 500, it needs to be a rounded performer. nVidia's situation is clear, it simply needs to diversify.
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They expect very much of a Intel Nvidia settlement.
Maby even a x86 licence 😉
Fascinating write up
Ok, you know that ‘share price’ is different from ‘market cap’, right?
– so why not plot something more relevant like ‘market cap’
Also, there is something in business call Profit (Loss)
– I have heard that this is considered an important measure of a company’s performance
– so, perhaps you should plot that on an additional graph
– I think therein you will find some of the answers to your questions
@Phil: All good, all relevant and all interesting. The question for us is this, “If AMD has 3 product line ups and nVidia only has one, why hasn’t AMD’s share price passed nVidia’s once in 2 years?”.
@faith
Ok, have you looked at NV’s positive cash balance compared to AMD’s massive debt?
Anyway, share-price is a meaningless comparison
– you should be looking at Market Cap
I think AMD did pass NV recently with that (but has now dropped back)
yeah jules, that plot of amd share price vs. nvidia share price should be their market caps instead. share price is really an arbitrary number. intel’s share price is 3x amd’s, what does that mean? absolutely nothing. market cap is the size of the company, that means something.
so replace share price with market cap in that graph, and in this sentence and you’re good: “For now, we have a company with 2x nVidia’s revenue and a fraction of its share value.”
your argument still basically holds though, nvidia makes way less revenues, has way less diversification, and is worth a lot more.
This
Profit, loss, assets, debt, EPS
It’s the attractiveness to the investor that is interesting. Maybe the AMD guys need to invest in fireworks and street entertainers.
AMDATI > revenue up – profits either still in the red, or so low as to not matter.
Company debt in the high BILLIONS.
Stock market commenter – CLUELESS.
NVidia – 2 billion in the bank, another billion coming. NO DEBT.
DUH.
Who gives a crap how big the market cap is at that, unless there’s some profitable fat, you ain’t got jack !
Not that hard people. 3 product lines could be 3 times the debt and loss instead of 2 product lines with just twice the losses.
” This year has seen AMD revenue leap up, almost exclusively off the back of its graphics products.”
That great exclusivity yielded 1 million in profit for the grahics division last quarter. Quite a leap if you ask me.
LEAP OF FAITH !
Nvidia sucked in 118 million profit last quarter , right ?
Ok, so you have a bank account – what looks better 1m or 128m for 3 months of PAYCHECKS ?
If Nvidia’s chart was 128 times higher, you’d be closer to reality…