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It looks like there is an AMD RX-500 graphics card series on the way as two new benchmarks have appeared from an AMD employee on the Ashes of the Singularity database, showing performance for an upcoming RX 580 and RX 560 GPU. Both benchmarks were run at 1080p using the ‘standard' benchmark preset, with the RX 580 scoring similarly to a GTX 1070 in this instance.
Ashes of the Singularity isn't a great benchmark to use for comparisons but as Videocardz points out, there are plenty of GTX 1070s in a similar score-range to the RX 580. You can see the benchmark result above.
The same Ashes of the Singularity user also ran a benchmark for the RX 560, which scored 3300 points, which puts it in a similar range to the GTX 1050TI. However, once again it is important to remember that AotS benchmarks can be all over the place at times, so comparing can be tricky business.
According to the report, the person behind these benchmark runs used their real name as their AotS username, with a quick Google search revealing them to be an employee. We won't be sharing the name here to avoid causing trouble but so far, this leak seems pretty solid.
KitGuru Says: This isn't quite as exciting as a high-end Vega GPU leak but at least its something. The fact that the database used RX 580 and RX 460 rather than engineering sample device IDs probably means that these GPUs are quite far along at this point, so perhaps we will see a launch in in April/May rather than June.
Well fuck, here I am buying a RX 480 waiting on it to ship and you’re telling me its going to be out dated in a few months. I thought I was buying AMD not Nvidia.
lol
i feel you bruh
I have one too man, but unless you go beyond 1080p res, you are pretty much fine. 😀
Was planning to get another 480 later on to hit 1080p 144hz.
From playing at 1080p, 1440p and 2160p. one thing I learned was, Higher Refresh Rate is hella better for gaming than higher res.
Found a decently priced 1080p@144hz monitor and now just wanted a second 480 to hit that 144fps in all games…but then this news came out today. The 580 score is similar to GTX 1070. Makes me think I could just save a ton of $ if I waited and got the 580. man this blows.
AMD anounced Vega at the CES in January, you live in a cave? xD
the 480 or the RX4xx line was amd mid-rage option for gamers… The RX 5xx should be there answer to high end market… The RX 560 though it a bit confusing since the rx 480 ect is suppose to cover that section of the market…
I personally have a GTX 1070 and I still waiting on RTG to releases a Card that is roughly the performance as it so I can pair them together for DX12 Multi-GPU-Adaptor tech.. its looks like RTG RX 580 may be the answer for me
Vega and Instinct will launch with Naples… It seems right since I hear Ryzen supports ECC for entry level wkstas…
But Vega isn’t really want I want to hear about… I want to hear about the so-called Naples APU…
At 220W they can have a 16C/2306SP Vega model… That will be a crazy base for HPC… It’ll KILL a 32C Naples…
So I guess the rumor that they are sticking with the Fury naming is true… A Vega Fury should be sick… With water…? OUCH…
lmao, you’ll get another RX480 cheaper when this one get release so you won’t wasting shit man
Yea by now they have final design boards to test on and they do give the info to devs first. Now AMD will spend some time seeing how far they can push everything on the reference cards and also do alot of driver tweaking to get every ounce of performance they can.
If past AMD products are any indication the cards will just get better and better as time goes on because regardless of what people say about AMD drivers that team is on point. The first edition of game ready drivers are always OK but a couple weeks go by and they optimize the hell out of games and often write code for effects and things and replace what the devs have done with something that looks identical but uses far less resources.
It’s quite impressive. I wish Nvidia did the same but based on my experience over the years and reproven with my 1080 they basically release game ready drivers with a profile for gf experience and unless there is a major issue I never see further optimization like I did with AMD.
Actually I suspect they will continue to use the Fury brand for the high end for marketing reasons similar to how Nvidia do with Titan being the high end and how they have already done with Fury. Having a dedicated name for the high end is good marketing.
People have said a lot of times that they’re bringing up new GPUs that are either both Vega AND reworked Polaris w/ better efficiency, or just Vega.
Bare in mind that few if any games at the moment have textures that are high enough resolution or quality to be optimal for higher than 1080p. This results in the textures looking worse at higher resolutions, similar to how 1080p once upon a time did not look that good but now it does due to higher resolution and higher quality textures.
That is server only. I expect desktop APUs will be 4 cores, possibly with SMT disabled. And probably with Polaris GPU. I suspect that is what the leaked “Polaris 12” name refers to.. As for why Polaris, APUs have never used the most recent GPU architecture as it is cheaper to use the older ones. The exception is PS4 Pro’s APu – and even that was months after dedicated desktop Polaris GPUs.
What I really hope the 490 ends up being, especially with this 5XX series leak.
the 490 should just be a Dual Chip Polaris card; Two 480 chips on one card.
It would be nice and make a whole lot of sense because this entire time we all thought 490 and 490x would be Vega, so now if the 5XX series is Vega, pricing the 5XX and 490 will be really awkward. it just makes lots of sense if the 490 ends up being a Dual-GPU card and then the 5XX starts anew like how series are supposed to start with new architectures.
so you AMD can price the 490 at the price of 2 480 cards and price the 580 a few more, but release 490 first just to bait the impatient. imho I’d buy the 490/x, I just really like CF/SLI too much.
Sounds like I know the difference… Raven Ridge should get a 460 level chip since Apple has them running at 25W…
already have GTX 1070 amp extreme for my 1080p awesome gaming. fuck amd
BTW, AMD will call the APU as NPU from now on, Next-Generation Processing Unit. They’re already renaming each stream processors in Vega as NCU, next-generation compute unit.
desktop and laptop APUs will be 4core with SMT enabled and Vega Gpu
http://wccftech.com/amd-raven-ridge-apu-vega-zen-hbm-2017/
There is no need to “fuck amd”. Unless you want to pay GTX1080 prices for a GT610 performance. Careful what you wish for. 🙂
Most of us thought Vega 10 would continue RX400 series as if it was the late entry high-end competitor to GTX1080, as RX490, and priced similarly around $499.
But if called RX580, well, it wouldn’t be the successor to RX480 unless AMD debuted Vega 10 at a similar price, going for the lower $200 mark– which is an extremely disruptive performance price ratio against a one-year old Pascal enjoying major premiums.
But such a price for Vega 10 is a stretch.
The A stands for Accelerated.. Why would that change…?
oh well rx560 = 1050ti for the price of $100
Although, if they follow the past like having GCN in 7970 but not the 7800 series and continueing the 7970 as a 280x. The high end part ends up getting longer support and are worth the price. A polaris dual GPU will just die with the series as Vega over-comes. No-one will buy that. Polaris was good for cheap efficiency low cost served its purpose. Could potentially use Polaris as a low end in the next 500 series.
Vega = premium high end should be 490.
I switched to 1440p from 1080p and to be honest everything is just more clear. The things in the distance are sharper especially for racing games and generally everything appears more crisp. Going to 1440p is the same number of pixels as in DVD to Blu-ray. It’s an upgrade for all the games I played so far. BUT i also have a small 1440p monitor 25 inches. That makes a difference too( i may not see all the imperfections in textures as the image is a bit smaller). Most monitors beyond 1080p are higher than 27 inches.
AMD Vega maybe Q1 2018. This year will be refresh for Polaris. AMD suck in power efficiency.
Are you retarded?
I’m not sure which sites you’ve been getting your information from but Vega has been confirmed for the first half of 2017 for quite a long time…
AMD sucks in power efficiency? Is that how they made an 8 core 16 thread monster at 65 watts?
remember, this topic is focusing on GPU, AMD Polaris especially.. and i know all the new ryzen series. about AMD sucks in power efficiency, for example the RX 470, it says 120w tdp but it consume at 150-ish, RX 480 150w tdp but it consume at 180-ish (at stock/no OC). and 30w is not much, but still more power needed.
Yeah monitor size matters. But also 1440p is not that big a jump so is not stretching the textures too much. In fact many textures (but far from all even in the same games) are 2048×2048 so higher resolution than 1440p. It is generally going above 1440p with such textures that is the problem. That is why my next step is to go to 1440p gaming not 4K gaming. That and cost.
Sure, more games are being made with 4K in mind in the near future but I tend to buy games when they are a few years old and thus much cheaper so the game I will be getting in that time were made with no more than 1440p in mind.
I hope the SMT part is true though I am skeptical as then it’d tread of the toes of Ryzen 3 too much. I utterly doubt Vega GPu as they have never used an up to date GPU for cost reasons, which makes sense.
going by the logic of AMD releasing processors at extremely competitive pricing, vega 10 and 11 will compete with gtx 1080/ titan x @ much lower pricing
I also did go from a TN to IPS. The better colours are noticeable and probably help textures look better.
IPS is 4ms and TN was 2ms. I didn’t really notice lag.
TDP is NOT power, it is how much the cooler needs to keep things at proper spec for cooling purposes, there is never perfect anything, and while TDP gives an approximation, it is rarely if ever a true number to say how much actual power will be consumed, does not matter if it is Nvidia, or AMD, or Intel, or ARM, some are more efficient then others, some have fancy designs to ensure it never passes past a certain point, fact is polaris is actually very power efficient for how many transistors are in use, what those transistors mean, the raw power to performance ratio etc.
Pascal on the other hand is not any more efficient then Maxwell was, FACT, they just have higher clocks and fancier power design to make them appear as much more efficient, they are not on a clock for clock basis, how much they can do with those clocks etc.
Anyways, TDP never has been designated for how much power the gpu or cpu will use, period, just as base example, my 7870 TDP is 175w, unless you run it highly overclocked and/or push it really crazy hard, average high power consumption sits at ~130w, not 175+, Polaris, yes it can spike higher then the design TDP signifies, but then again with something like MSI RX 480 Gaming X it “maxes” to ~189w but the base design allows up to 225w SPEC via the socket and the pci-e 8 pin connector.
Just reviewers and media and users keep taking this number and using it as “gospel” it has a very loose idea on expected power consumption, but it DOES NOT STAND FOR HOW MUCH WILL BE USED, PERIOD, unless, and I mean unless, there is fancy clock gating etc to prevent it exceeding this TDP limit, there has been very very few designs to do this, period.
7750 7850 and 7870 were GCN – the lower number cards in the HD 7xxx series were the Terrascale cards. The 7750 never got “officially” carried into the Rx series (which was dumb as AT THAT TIME the 7750 was the highest-performance card in low profile and might still be #5 in low profile performance today)
A few companies released “R5 250” cards that were rebranded 7750s (you could tell by the 512 shader count) which was majorly confusing when compared to the actual R5 250 cards with 384 shaders.
Yep you are correct. Its so easy to find my mistake just a quick search on wiki.
I’ve thought that they were not GCN cards for quite some time due to the rumors released about which cards are going to get DX 12 support. They definitely said 7900 series is supported and barely mentioned other GCN cards.
Then I didn’t pay enough attention to them at all.
Anyhow, it looks like they are just re-branding 400 series the cards as its getting closer and more details are coming. Now they probably won’t release a 490.
Actually, the 5xx series is going to be a minor refresh, slight improvements due to small process improvements – not just a rebrand.
The possibility of a 490/590 is iffy, as it probably would be going head-to-head in soon-to-be-released VEGA territory.
I consider Rebrands refreshes the same thing. Of course due to operational efficiencies that happen in a normal environment there will be a slightly better build chip. The only thing that is changing is the clock speed on the specs.
I even consider the i5 6600k and the i5 7600k practically the same chip just different clock speed. Just a product of better production. Nothing innovative. Rebrand. So thats why I say rebrand as in… they change the number infront of the product to a new series. When it could have just been a RX 485 or i5 6650.
Do they really need to fool consumers into thinking its a ‘new series’. I think it works though. Not everyone cares about the tech specs of a graphics cards. They just look at product numbers.
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-radeon-rx-580-radeon-rx-570-photos-leaked/
Maybe its based on my definition of not being happy about a refresh of just clock speeds.
They’re moving the production to a different (small upgrade) process – that is NOT a rebrand, unlike the many HD7xxx / R9 2xx / R9 3xx rebrands where the GPU stayed the same IDENTICAL chip but they upgraded the memory a little and changed the BIOS.
It’s not “operational efficiencies” that are changing, it is the base process they are building the GPU on that is changing, and the GPU itself.
They always talk about binning CPU’s.
And the longer the process goes on the better the manufacturing process becomes. To the point where their quality control can shift up and bin higher Mhz chips.
The RX 580 the only thing they are changing according to rumors is the mhz on the core. IF the GPU is changing anywheres else I dont know.
Not really an outdated gpu is a gpu which doesn’t get driver’s for the lastest games. 7999 is not outdated to me it’s still a beast to have.
Not really an outdated gpu is a gpu which doesn’t get driver’s for the lastest games. 7999 is not outdated to me it’s still a beast to have.
it’s not similar to the 1070 lmfao… fuckin AMD and their huge expectations….
The 500 series is just a retuned version of the 400 line, mostly a rebranding. Probably just missing out on price cuts.
Rumors say RX 560 doesn’t need extra power plug, is it confirmed ? I’d be very interested in that card to change my loyal and trusted HD7790oc